The ‘bedroom tax’ applies only to people of working age. But it catches some people who would previously have received the state pension at 60. So for instance we have heard from a female tenant who is 59, turns 60 in November, but will not receive a state pension until 2015. We’ll call her Sheila. She was a single mum who has worked all her life but was made redundant early in 2011 and since then has had to claim benefits. Her financial plight is reflected in the fact that she had to get rid of her car because she could not afford to run it.
She is desperately keen to get a job but despite her best efforts she has been unable to get one. Like many people of her age she has suffered age discrimination in the job process.
“One in particular, a reception job, advised me that they very rarely employed people of my age to deal face to face with the general public. That was before we began the interview. Others have asked how I would cope working in ‘a young and dynamic environment’. I have also met other people who are in my age group and even slightly younger who are finding it impossible to get work because they also encounter age discrimination.”
Sheila says “I have lived in this house, which is my home, for 16 years. I have always paid my rent and had my house fully occupied until 2009 when my family left home.” Her son, his partner and her granddaughter lived with her but now have their own home.
So she is a single person in a 3 bedroom Council house. If she were a little older she would not face having her benefits cut – pensioners are excluded. She was born a little ‘too late’ being caught by the change in the state pension age for women. She considers herself “Too old to be employed but too young to be safeguarded from the bedroom tax and being classed as an OAP. Because this pension age has now changed I find myself in no mans land. ”
What does she have to live on? She is on income based job seekers allowance. With £71 a week she is supposed to pay household bills, eat and clothe herself. From next April she will have to pay the Council the 25% cut she will suffer in her Housing Benefit because she is “underoccupying” her home. “This has to be one of the most unjust laws ever created and I would like to think the court of human rights would agree,” she says.
Could she not ‘downsize’? Well, she has lived in her current house for 16 years. She has invested time and money in improving it and not surprisingly she considers it to be her home. She’s happy with the area she lives in. She feels it’s a decent place to live.
“Also now being on my own I feel safe as I know people, I can walk to the shops and my son’s home, if I needed to, is in walking distance. I walk my dog every night around 10-10.30pm and have no fear of being out at that time.”
She has been advised by the Council that she will have to put her name forward for an exchange or a transfer into a smaller property or she will have to pay the tax in April.
“I don’t want to be forced out of my home and it is feels awful to even attempt to begin looking. But I wonder what will happen to anyone who cannot find a smaller property and cannot find the extra money. Are we all to be evicted or prosecuted? The courts will be even busier and cost the council and council tax payer even more money.”
Even if Sheila asks for a move (she only ‘qualifies’ for a one bedroom property according to the ‘bedroom standard’) it might take years before she is offered one because she is one of 775 households which the Council estimates would have to move to a one bedroom property in order not to suffer a cut in their Housing Benefit. However, last year the Council only gave 104 one bedroom tenancies, so even if they did not give tenancies to people on the housing waiting list it could take the best part of eight years to move all the existing tenants who are deemed only to need one bedroom.
Given the shortage of accommodation of the ‘right size’ if Sheila was offered an alternative she might have to move away from the area that she is comfortable with, leaving her neighbours and friends, without knowing what life would be like in an area she didn’t know.
It might fundamentally alter (and potentially worsen) the quality of her life.
If she was offered a one bedroom flat, it would, of course, cost a lot of money to move since her furniture and other belongings would probably be too big for a one bedroom property.1 Of course, Sheila does not have the money to cover such expense.
Sheila will lose over £20 from her £71 because she has two “spare” bedrooms. She will also face losing more of this miserable sum that she is expected to live on. The government is scrapping Council Tax benefit in April 2013 replacing it with a grant to Councils which will cover only 90% of the bill. Councils will have to decide who qualifies for it. However, they will not be allowed to reduce support for “vulnerable” people and pensioners. The exclusion of pensioners will mean that claimants of working age will be hit especially hard, with 20-30% cuts expected. As Sheila and people like her are neither “vulnerable” nor pensioners, she will have to pay out more money from her already reduced job seekers allowance. So she and others will face a double blow.
“I find it sinister that the government is setting a law that reeks of age discrimination. Logically when you think about it they must be aware that the majority of people that will be affected will be in my age bracket. The older person whose family has grown up and moved on, the older person who is unemployed and experiences employment attitudes of being too old to be offered a job. We are a group of forgotten people in this country who seem to have no voice. Regarded as too old to work but too young to retire. How can any government expect the job market to adhere to age laws when it is introducing the bedroom tax law that targets the very people they say should not be discriminated against?”
“I feel so strongly about this not just for myself but for everyone else this is affecting and I am fearful of my future. People like myself are not scroungers and trying to survive on benefits is living hell.”
Sheila has considered taking in a lodger but currently she would lose money from her jobseekers allowance.
She represents one group of people who will be affected by the bedroom tax. We will look at examples of other groups in future articles. Suffice it to say that her example shows the callous and inhuman nature of the policy of the coalition government. When the Council tax cut kicks in she will face living on less than £50 a week. The rich, in contrast, will be facing tax cuts provided care of what Tory MP Nadine Dorries described as “arrogant rich boys who don’t know the price of milk”.
The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock. It cannot work because there are too few homes for people in need of housing, and there are not enough homes of the ‘right’ size. Instead of penalising the poor for a shortage which is not their fault the government should facilitate a new Council house building programme to address the shortage of ‘social housing’.
1 We recently received an email from another tenant who said she had moved from a 3 bedroom house to a two bedroom flat. “This has been quite a large expense as nothing fitted from the house – carpets, curtains, decorating, restoring garden etc.”
Martin Wicks
Aug 02, 2012 @ 18:20:29
The whole system is wrong. I have a total weekly income of £75, made up of my late husband’s pensions. Out of that I have to pay rent to the council and as for the council tax “benefit” – don’t make me laugh. I was awarded the princely “discount” of, wait for it, 60p per month – i.e. 15p per week. In effect I’m expected to pay full council tax. This has gone to Appeal and I am still waiting for it to be sorted out. To make matters worse, this has been back-dated to the day my husband died, landing me with a £4000 bill for so-called “overpayment of benefits”. I have hid nothing, never claimed a penny more than I was told I was entitled to and considering until 5 years ago I worked full-time and paid tax and NI all my life, only giving up work to care for my ill son, not claiming one penny in benefits in that time, it makes me very, very angry. My son is currently studying for qualifications he missed because of the lengthy spells he was in hospital so is on JSA.
At the moment I have my own health problems to deal with – a broken wrist that hasn’t healed up, currently waiting to see a specialist. Despite the pain from my wrist I have had to look for work and have found a job paying minimum working wage but it’s better than nothing. Unfortunately, the knock on effect on my wrist is that it’s swelling and very painful, necessitating wearing the splint again. It is my dominant hand that is damaged.
I sympathise entirely with this lady. I’m lucky, my son still lives at home and will for the foreseeable future. I hope with all my heart that this wicked government who is targeting the weakest and most vulnerable people in society are quickly thrown out of office and never, ever allowed to return. Their hatred of the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable is stomach churning.
I too wonder if there’s anything in the Human Rights Act that could be used to turn round this dreadful, spiteful legislation.
Jan 19, 2013 @ 16:08:26
I am looking into the possibilty of mounting a legal challenge to them using human rights legislation as a possible weapon. But i need something to work with. If there were enough of us prepared to band together as a group collectively we would have a better chance than just one solitary person. I need someone who is clued up on the Human Rights Act to look at this piece of shitty law and see if there are any possible grounds upon which we can attack it Discrimination is one thing that come to mind. If there is any one interested please let me know my address is bluebottle45@yahoo.co.uk
I realise that we may not get anywhere but this time i feel we have no choice but to fight and i would welcome any ideas as to how to go about this
Jan 19, 2013 @ 17:37:13
good luck with it john, i wondered if the fact that we signed contracts for life might be a good reason in the court of human rights, a contract that has been changed with out negotiation, or the emotional attachment side for those of us who have put blood sweat and tears into “our” homes, would you have signed the contract if it said you had to take in a lodger
Mar 01, 2013 @ 23:58:42
im a 43 yrd old disabled man i cant work and up until recently i got full council tax and rent allowance. now they are saying i have to pay a percentage of both because im single and i have 1 too many bedrooms. i took this bungalow because it was the only option available except a 1 bedroom house which is unsuitable for me as im confined to a wheelchair. i dont want to leave the village i live in because ive lived here sincer i was six and my whole life is here ie my family and friends and not to mention my support network. this situation is completely unfair and im at my wits end
Mar 03, 2013 @ 12:47:00
This situation is bad enough 4 lots of people but the likes of y situation is absolutely disgusting …we r goin back 2 ww2 we will have no heating no food no money 2 replace elec goods when they break down … There will be lots of people on the street begging kids goin hungry … Yes we all need someone 2 stand up 4 us please I hope someone out there is listening ?
Mar 06, 2013 @ 14:17:32
This is one example of the abuse of the ‘Human Rights’.flawed law.
No-one (single person) has a human right to occupy a 3 bedroom house that they don’t pay for. If they pay the full rent, then fine.
But stop asking the council tax payer to subsidise having 2 spare bedrooms.
Mar 06, 2013 @ 15:29:35
Council Tax payers don’t pay for HB. Tax payers do, but most of the people on HB have paid their tax and NI over the years.
Aug 02, 2012 @ 21:19:45
the system is totaly wrong we have been told that our 1st bedroom will cost us £11.50 and the the 2nd will take that upto 25% we have 2 bedroom houses on our estate owened by the council renting at £90 per week ours rents at £97 per week i know i must be thick but £97 – £90 = £7 so what gives them the right to charge us more? how can the legaly do this think i may try to seek legal advice on this matter wonder if anyone else has seen the differance could cost the council a lot of money in court fees I asked a council coustomer services person what they thought there reply ” he could not see the lodgic in us moving from a 3 bedroom house costing £97 into a housing association 2 bedroom house costing over £100 per week he thought it was not to well thought out but he said its because they need 3 bedroom homes and they could get them this way” i asked if maybe we could take in lodgers from the council waiting list till they where re-housed he said “he would look into that idear” that was over 4 weeks ago they arnt intrested in helping us keep our home which we have lived in for over 12 years and have done 90% of all our repairs and improvements they just want to keep the goverment happy and not stand up for our rights as secure tennents cant someone stand in our corner and fight for us!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 15, 2012 @ 20:13:43
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page.
Aug 03, 2012 @ 08:40:39
I too am at this inbetween age where I do not get my state pension until I am 63 (I am 59 at the moment). I am lucky enough to be working full time and pay full rent on a 3 bedroomed council house which I have lived in for 20 years. I am so worred about being turfed out to an area I do not know or may not like, away from my lovely neighbours and the home I have known for all these years. I am so depressed about it and what the future holds that I am now on anti-depressants. I feel sick at the thought of being penalised for what I thought would have been a happy time in my life. The Council will have to be held responsible if people in this position are being make ill or maybe worse if this Big Brother attitude is allowed to continue. Make no mistake someone will be pushed too far with this and it will be Council’s fault!!!!!
Dec 17, 2012 @ 22:07:43
I can sympathsize with you Carol but try to bear in mind that you are not alone this regressive tax will as usual hit at those who are least able to strike back. The Tories are not known as the Nasty Party for nothing and they appear to be oblivious to the harm they will inflict, neither do they care. Perhaps what they need is a dose of French bloody mindedness and we should engage in a campaign of civil disobedience. Push people too far and they WILL kick back…..Hard.
Remember, it could be said that they rely on fear to maintain control and the fear of being homeless and by definition powerless is probably what they really want.
I wish i could offer you some hope or a means of striking back that would force them to take notice but i fear that the only way to make them listen is the use of direct action as they will not listen otherwise.
Aug 03, 2012 @ 11:44:11
So, the bedroom tax is described as “The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock.”; funny how I have been told it is to ‘help’ people into more suitable accommodation. Which is it, wonder? It just reeks of excuses for hitting the poor again.
Let’s not divide ourselves into ‘young’ and ‘old’ camps, there are young people who live alone in two bedroomed accommodation this legislation will hit; there are separated couples who have a spare room to accommodate children’s access at weekends. Both these (and other) groups have presumably had their housing needs assessed by councils and been allocated suitable properties based on need and availability.
I have also been told by Tamworth Borough Council’s housing portfolio holder that working tenants who do not claim a rent rebate but are assessed as ‘under-occupied’ will pay a surcharge equivalent to the benefit they would lose were they claiming said benefit; it is not just those on benefits that will be affected.
I have said it before, but will continue to repeat it; the bedroom tax and the reduction in council tax benefits:
1. Will hit the poor the hardest, and I do not believe this is accidental; it is by design.
2. Is divisive, making the poor and working class easier to control and manipulate; again by design.
3. Will result in more revenue for govt. to distribute as tax breaks for the wealthy.
4. Will see council homes empty and sold off.
5. Will encourage tenants to buy- fait accompli!
6. Will circumvent Security of Tenure legislation which gives you the right to stay in your home.
It is an abysmal and despotic piece of legislation. I want to hear a Labour politician say they will repeal any such legislation in their first term of office. I am not holding my breath.
Aug 03, 2012 @ 13:35:15
Carol they can’t turf you out. Obviously cutting HB is a mens of pressuring people to move, but, of course, there aren’t enough homes of the ‘right’ size to move people, but they cannot force people to move.
Nov 25, 2012 @ 13:27:26
y right to stay where you are yes. but financially you will be in debt with the rent and so evicted anyway. Ironically if you are a victim of forced eviction the council is obliged to find alternative normally very costly accomodation.
I could move to a one bedroomed property but it would have to be private at a cost of three times more the rent than my current home. I downsized last year to free up a three bedroomed house. Being on ESA waiting for a back op, this will be the eighth month of waiting, I cannot work, but am of working age. My ESA just about covers my living expenses now with no such like luxeries like sky. I am being forced eviction, which by the way is against human right laws.
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:07:14
If you are evicted for non payment of rent it is not a forced eviction, its is classed as ‘making yourself intentionally homeless’ and the council are not duty bound to re-house you.
Jan 06, 2013 @ 19:13:10
I’m disabled in a two bed house which is unsuitable for my needs as I can’t get upstairs very easily, I’m willing to downsize to a one bed bungalow but there arn’t any. Do you still have to pay if you’re willing to move?
Jan 07, 2013 @ 11:54:21
I’m afraid that if you are of working age you still get penalised if you are in receipt of HB.
Jan 09, 2013 @ 23:03:14
thats a good point about Pets, .. many people regard their pets as close family members, and downsizing will mean they won’t be able to take their pets with them.
Aug 03, 2012 @ 13:38:16
Smiling Carcass. I don’t believe that somebody under-occupying can be surcharged. They have no legal ability to do so. If this idiot said this to you verbally I would suggest you write to him to confirm whether or not they are thinking of doing this. What’s the guy’s name?
Aug 03, 2012 @ 13:40:18
What I meant to say was ” I don’t believe somebody who is ‘under-occupying’ but not recceiving HB can be surcharged.”
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:04:54
Martin is correct, they cannot surcharge anyone paying full rent.
Aug 03, 2012 @ 15:54:48
martinwicks
This is just what government want to hear; people saying they can’t do this, won’t do that. When you realise they can and will, it is too late- it’s done.
First and this is addressed to you, too Carol, if they introduce a reduction in benefit- or a surcharge- and you cannot pay it, you will accrue arrears. When the arrears become high enough and unpaid councils can seek possession orders through the courts, so effectively they can ‘turf you out’.
Second, the fact that there are not enough homes of the right size is irrelevant, which is why this legislation will make you pay whether you refuse to move or whether, willing or not, the council has nowhere to move you to.
As for surcharging under-occupiers not in receipt of housing benefits no they can’t do that at the moment, which is one of the details of this legislation that people are unaware of; the government only has to pass a law saying they can.
Aug 08, 2012 @ 06:37:50
These stories should be relayed to welfare@tpas.org.uk who are compiling a dossier to lobby parliament with.
Aug 15, 2012 @ 10:07:20
At first i thougt this was wrong and in most ways it is,me and my wife moved south through mutual exhange, there is only 2 of us , no kids.
Really we was only lookng for a 1 bed, but we could only get a 2 bed house so we thought well then if we take this , then we can move again and give someont the house they needed and in return get a one bed flat.
Been using the mutual exchange sites for a good while
i must say there is so many people on there on benefits especially the ones in the good areas demanding 3 bed houses for their 1 bed flats, when theres only one or a couple.they want it all drives, gardens, patios etc just because they have a 1 bed flat in a good area of say, london
these are the people that this bedroom tax will bring down to earth!!!!
its these people the councils should not allow
this bedroom tax thing is a nitemare for most but there so may people abusing the system
if one thing this bedroom tax will do is stop these people who really dont need huge homes and are just trying to be something their not, then im all for it.
i have already made the move in advance of this bedroom tax from a very large 2 bed house to a pretty small 1 bed flat, but then it dont bother me as im not into having big propertys with huge gardens just to be big on nothing.
when this bedroom tax comes in the councils should look at every case individually , as in most cases its just not right ,but i doubt this will happen.
Aug 16, 2012 @ 14:36:58
June, I appreciate what you are trying to say but if a person is living in adequate council accommodation and wishes to move to larger council accommodation for which they have no need, then under EXISTING legislation councils have no requirement to accommodate them.
Also, June, this legislation will not necessarily stop them. If you need accommodation and the only accommodation available leaves you ‘under-occupying’ then you will be required to pay the ‘Bedroom Tax’ if you choose to accept the council’s offer; of course, if you are looking to the council for help, you will likely have little choice but to accept and pay the ‘Tax’.
I would also like to emphasise here that we are not talking about houses; we are talking about homes; folk who have lived in a home for possibly 20-30 years being forced to move or pay the ‘Tax’ because their children have grown up and moved on.
The problem is the shortage of council accommodation; a shortage that has been created and exacerbated by the selling off of council stock and the failure of councils and government to build; if we could afford do it after the expense of fighting and winning a world war, surely we could do it today, given the will to do so.
Feb 02, 2013 @ 10:50:14
Are there any marches or demos pland ? How much more can this crule government do to kick the poor an venerable in these hard times? I used to be proud to be British but this Tory government makes me hate my country now.
Aug 17, 2012 @ 17:44:37
ok it is a shortfall in housing benefit commonly hidden within wefare reform, I am an admin of an advice chat group http://www.facebook.com/groups/btukhomeswapnetwork/ i see it all the time people just dont know what to do some want to fight it well that is there choice we did at 1st made a petition up spoke about a mass none payment (which wont work as people are not willing to risk their homes just incase we are british afterall) but the more we looked into it and saw the loopholes close up it just show how much effort the gov has put into this there is no way they are going to back down, others just want to get correct information due to councils and HAs giving out rubbish but we all help each other so if you want more uptodate info talk to people in similar situation come to see us.
Aug 17, 2012 @ 18:19:35
Olivia, with the greatest respect your post sounds far too defeatist. It is my opinion that the reason there is little enthusiasm for fighting these anti-poor laws is that people do not understand the implications. They are also divisive, splitting the working class who own their homes and those that do not. That is why we must broadcast the facts and encourage people to act- writing to MP’s, the PM, petitions and demonstrations.
Thanks for the link to your FB page. There is another here-
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/
for those interested.
Aug 19, 2012 @ 11:56:49
Olivia has been removed off an number of sites because of her abuse to those people who do not have the same opinion as she does. Unfortunatly her and the other admin of the site she put up likes to kick people off who only ask that we put some fight up!
Aug 19, 2012 @ 17:41:37
I think the Council Tax Benefit cut in April will be a step too far, and inevitably people will not be able to pay. I would encourage people in the position of Sheila to join the non-payment campaign and refuse to pay their Council Tax. This will not put their Tenancy at risk, and provided it is a mass campaign supported by many people within her local community there will be little risk in taking part. We can defeat this the same way we defeated the Poll Tax: Can’t Pay – Won’t Pay!
Jan 10, 2013 @ 22:18:10
only problem of non payment of council tax is that it is seen as tax fraud and is punished with a fine and custodial sentence
Jan 11, 2013 @ 22:21:24
hi gary the courts are overflowing as it is, let the government? put us all in jail for non payment it will cost much more. I believe it costs government about £30,000 a year for one con to stay in jail.
Many pensioners would like a nice warm cell with 3 square meals a day
Good luck with everything
Aug 21, 2012 @ 18:08:26
I know far too many single people sitting pretty in there 3 bed houses, whilst 2 rooms go unused. There are 7 of us living in a 2 bed flat in Brentwood…that’s right 7 people (2 adults and 4 children under 6yrs)…..and yes, we pay our rent and tax.
These selfish people hogging much needed homes should be grateful for the years and memories they have had bringing there children up in a house. It’s time to down size and allow others to do the same.
It’s not like your going to be made homeless, you will still hv a roof over your head, granted just a smaller size.
And lets face it……it’s your own fault if you are still living in council aged 50 plus as you had the advantage years ago to become a home owner when “affordable homes” where about.
Stop moaning about it, it’s your own faults for not becoming a home owner when you had the chance in your 30′s.
The whole point of social housing is to help those who need it and to provide a roof over your head….not luxury living!!!! I’m sure everyone would love a 3 bedroom house.
So, start selling your excess furniture from your 2 spare rooms (earn yourself a bit of pocket money) and allow others to have a better quality of life.
Try and see it from my perspective….who is going to suffer more and have less quality of life. One person being down sized into a bed home or 7 people in a 2 bedroom home?!?!? It’s not rocket science……
Aug 21, 2012 @ 20:47:23
I can understand your frustration Amy, over-crowding is worse in London. But you should direct your fire at your Councillors and the politicians who have sold off our homes and not built replacements. There are people prepared to ‘downsize’ but there aren’t enough smaller homes to move them into. Even people who have asked for a move, but their Council have nothing to give them, will suffer a cut in their HB. How fare is that?
Aug 22, 2012 @ 05:17:13
Amy, I understand where you are coming from, but Martin is right; the government themselves have said they know there aren’t enough smaller homes, so this can only be a money making scam.
I would also add that the operative word is homes- they have lived there for many years and are from an era of council house building and expected to stay there for life.
As for blaming them and saying it’s your own fault for not buying, I am 55 and have no wish, never had a wish to buy my own home- even when my income tax was as much as most of my mates wages and could well afford it. That is/was my personal choice.
And by the way, had they opted to buy their home when they had a chance, those homes would certainly not be available for you, however many bedrooms were unused; it is this sale of council homes and failure to build that has created the crisis and the government is trying to blame the tenant, once again for something beyond their control.
As for the ‘point of social housing’ you need to read your history; what is today’s social housing was yesterday’s ‘homes for all’ designed and built for everybody from the unemployed to the manager and; previous to that, council accommodation was ‘social housing’ so we are going back 100 years to how it was when Lloyd George proposed ‘homes fit for heroes’. Is that what we want? A step back 100 years?
And Amy, I do see it from your perspective- but also from the perspective of somebody like myself, who has raised two children to adulthood in my home; who sees it as my right to stay here; and while I sympathise with your situation, I don’t blame you for wanting my home (metaphorically speaking); I blame the government for not building and providing you with one.
I would like to add I am not currently under-occupied so the proposed legislation will not affect me immediately. But it is tyrannical and pits ordinary people against ordinary people when we should be united against a common foe.
Oct 01, 2012 @ 04:25:01
I agree with you smiling Carcass..
My take on it is, that there are too many people living on this island (sorry if I offend) Everything is lacking these days!
I have three boys aged 16years (still at home,doing his Alevels) aged 13 and 8. In two years time,when my oldest goes off to uni, I will have the same problem,because of the new rules being put in place,the same sex thing.
I have a three bedroom local authourity house , which I have worked hard to make liveable..new bathroom,kitchen,nice garden..For my ‘family’. I will be and my boys will be devasted when we have to move.We are happy where we live and I have always paid my rent on time and lived accordingly…
This is a evil plan..And will make a lot of people homeless.
All we want to do is give our family the best and with each stone unearthered,this government is trying to destroy our lives!
The morons who are making these descisions WITHOUT our consent know doubt have seven bedroomed mansions and second homes..But I doubt they have seven children. They make me want to vomit! They are judases to the very people who built this country up and my great great grandpa would be crying in his grave!
Why should I give my family home up,which I have lived in for 10years..to another? I am sorry if you don’t like what I say Amy,but no.no..It’s NOT my fault you are in the situation you are in….It’s the very people who have put YOU and your FAMILY where you are now..The ‘ruling class’ So DON’T blame me,blame them!!
They will have to take me to court to get myself and my children out,there is no doubt about that. And when I do have to finally succumb.there will not be a bathroom,garden or kitchen left,not the one I worked hard to build anyway!!!
I believe in the ‘New World Order’..Believe me this is only THE beggining!
I didn’t buy Amy,but I rented and paid my way.
Jan 10, 2013 @ 22:31:36
you talk a lot of sense but wot bout the removal of council tax benefit for a reward scheme we all know that local council favour the old and who they call people of priority ie nurse doc police i think as of april out of £71 a week i will see only £30 maybe if lucky £40 a week after spending £10 on elec £10 on water £5 on tv the job centre want me to have a car still and home internet where the money for food? lol other question i have my rent is low but service charge is high so the 14 percent i have to pay is that at just rent rate or at the rate of service charge included?
Sep 09, 2012 @ 22:51:44
Amy, I want to move!!!!!!!! I AM ON A NEVER-ENDING COUNCIL LIST TO MOVE!!!! There are NO, allow me to REPEAT NO properties available to downsize everyone. Social housing has been neglected since the 1980s and NEVER picked up, so yes Amy, you can cast stones at me and believe me I can throw them right back at you! EVERYTIME i check the homes I’ve bid on – on the choose your home site – people who were on the list several years before me get the property – SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO MOVE OUT ON TO THE STREET BECAUSE YOU WANT MY HOME. I AM BEYOND INCENSED THAT I HAVE TO PAY THE POOR-LAW TAX ALL BECAUSE THERE’S NO SMALLER PROPERTIES FOR ME TO MOVE INTO. I GUARANTEE THAT’S THERE’S GOING TO BE RIOTS IN THIS COUNTRY THE LIKES WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!!! THE POLL TAXES RIOTS WILL BE NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT’S COMING
Oct 01, 2012 @ 18:45:59
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. Diane if you have not allready atke a look at this page.
Mar 22, 2013 @ 17:15:00
you are write Diane the is 700 people waiting to move in the town were i live.the is no 1 bedroom flats most of the one bedroom flat have pensioners in them.so they are not going to want to move into a 3 bedroom house.if we all get private flats that will bankrupt the council.because private flats are more expensive than a 3 bedroom council house.the government hasn’t even thought about were people are going to live.they just see the pounds sign.and taking money off the people that most need it.
Oct 01, 2012 @ 13:54:29
wot your not getting amy i have worked all my life until last year when i became a full time carer for 2 elderly relatives. i brought my 2 kids up in my council house and over the years spent a lot of money on my house and garden why should i have to give my lovely home up because now i am getting housing benefit because the rent i have paid in 25 years i could have bought it
Oct 05, 2012 @ 21:37:44
Amy, you have some kind of nerve telling people what they should do (i.e selling furniture, etc) I have a question for you (since you so eloquently saw fit to give me advice): why didn’t you stop breeding when your property was full? You rant on there’s 2 adults and a house full of kids in a 2 bed property — who’s fault is that? You might be thinking what business is it of mine how many children you have? The fact of the matter is: don’t slam others’ and not expect a response, suffice to say I’ll sell my furniture if you seek some serious family planning advice.
Oct 10, 2012 @ 04:42:39
To everybody, please stop attacking each other- it is what the government wants; divide and conquer.
We all have requirements, and all need a government to supply those requirements, either directly or through a third party. In return, we pay the government taxes to pay for this. The issue here is the government has not seen fit to keep their side of the contract, and given our taxes away to the rich who do not need the money or the services. In this instance, it is adequate housing.
So, if you must blame somebody, blame the government and tell them you are unhappy you are living in unsuitable accommodation or that you are being victimised for being poor.
Oct 10, 2012 @ 11:52:34
Carcass is right, the government would love nothing better than us having a go at each other. The source of our problem is not people ‘under-occupying’ its the shortage of housing resulting from this and the previous government refusing to build council housing.
It’s a sad state of affairs when tenants have a go at tenants who are on benefits. The overwhelming majority are on benefits because of their life circumstances, not because they don’t want to work. There are 2.5 million people unemployed and nearly 1.5 million who are in part-time work only because they cannot get a full-time job.
And one of the reasons why the HB bill has gone up (aside from the economic crisis) is because the previous government introduced ‘rent equalisation’ which basically meant driving up council rents to the level of HOusing Association rents. This was because they imagined that if rents were the same for Council and HA tenants then we wouldn’t bother opposing our homes being transferred to HA’s.
If tenants don’t stick together then we’ll get shafted as individuals.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 08:51:11
well a note to the government, this will affect at least 700,000 people, that is one hell of a legacy to leave behind, the loss of 700,000 voters…not to mention their friends and family that will be affected, i would estimate at least 1 million votes lost, not only the votes lost but a legacy of hate for many many years to come, will this bedroom tax insure you never come into power again for a very long time, yes i think it probably will…i said this to a friend who is training to be an M.P. he was dumbfounded…
Nov 21, 2012 @ 13:51:22
love it mate well said
Nov 23, 2012 @ 10:44:36
I will downsize once my child has left home or by then in a position to buy a small home, I have happily lived in a one bedroom property for years why should the taxpayers pay to keep 2 people who don’t work in a 3 bedroom house? its social housing for people who need it and if you have a spare bedroom your not in need of that property so should be forced to move or private rent a smaller place. Like I said on my previous post aswell there should be a tax for lazy people aswell who think its ok to not work for 10 years I understand times can be hard for everyone at some point but people who refuse to work should be forced out their 3 bedroom home, have their benefits cut and kicked up the backside I am pregnant and working my socks off and will teach my children the same
Nov 24, 2012 @ 06:35:17
I totally agree with you it upsets me to hear how self centred people can be, your homes holds memories and people want to rest not keep moving on,I am 51 and my two sons still live with me in a three bedroom house when they do move on what’s saying one might become homeless I would like to think that they can come back if they need to I also have grand children they can stay.it worries me to think what is happening soon there will be a major up roar
Nov 27, 2012 @ 18:53:13
Could’nt have put it better myself !!!!! i’m disgusted to say the least, their going to force people out of their homes, i have a feeling this is not going to end well , all hell will break loose!!!
Jan 07, 2013 @ 12:32:37
Well said Chris
Jan 07, 2013 @ 16:58:45
While to some extent I agree with the comments, and understand the reason for them, please try not to fall for the ‘divide and rule’ tactic and point the finger where blame lies; at policies that sell of council housing with huge discounts; the refusal of successive governments and councils to replenish the housing stock and an administration whose social engineering and cleansing techniques are to be applauded- if they were not so devastating to those they target.
Oct 08, 2012 @ 16:55:31
You here this all the time what you are saying, this government are turning people against each other, people who have worked all of their lives who’s family have left and moved out and who have paid enough rent to have paid for the house 3 times over but just didn’t have enough wages to buy there own home, you make a point that you are paying your rent and people should have bought there own home by 50 so why do you want a council home? Amy we have been spoonfed lies and propaganda by governments to turn us against each other, we all need to stand together before they take us back to Victorian times and workhouses.
Oct 08, 2012 @ 18:51:34
I am a 56 year old mother and I have shared my Yorkshire Housing home with my daughters, who are both in their twenties, for the past six years. My elder daughter has recently left home leaving myself and my younger daughter in a 3-4 bedroomed house. One of the “bedrooms” being next to the living room and not convenient to be used as a bedroom. Shortly after we moved into the house my elderly mother was taken ill with cancer. As the rest of the family took a step backwards I was left alone to care for my mum. As she had been living abroad she had no home of her own and it was decided that she would move in with me, and I would be her main carer. In March 2007 my mum passed away, she died in my home. Since that day I have struggled with the deepest depression, not living in the normal way, I also suffer from fibromyalgia. Rarely leaving the house and feeling such sadness that I find it hard to function on a day to day basis. I have now been advised by Yorkshire Housing that changes are to be made next April that will not enable me to stay in my own home. My Housing Manager tells me that I will then be liable to pay a large portion of my rent from my Incapacity Benefit, which I find hard to live on as it is. I am devastated and I want to be allowed to stay in the home where my mother died. I have an enormous emotional attachment to the house and I have worked hard to bring the house up to a decent standard. I do not know what will happen if I am forced to give up my home after everything me and my family have been through. The thought of not being able to stay in my own home has exasperated my depression and has restarted my anxiety. I pray that someone can help us. I don’t know who to turn to but I really think the Government should know what they are putting us through.
Surely the whole idea of Social Housing was to give security to families that cannot afford their own homes. When children grow up and leave home their parents will now be forced out of their own homes because they simply cannot afford to pay the extra 12 and half percent rent. What happens if a family member passes away and a room becomes vacant – are the Government going to tax these poor people so they too will be unable to stay in their own homes? What will happen to an elderly parent who has lived in their home for many years after the family has left – are they too going to be forced out of their homes because they can not afford the ‘Bedroom Tax’? How can they afford the cost of moving house in later life – that itself is money that we don’t have. There are many scenarios where the Bedroom Tax will force people to leave their homes, surely this must contradict the whole point of social housing. The Government is hitting the poorest people in the community – removing their security and forcing them out of their homes. It is unfair, unjust and takes advantage of the disadvantaged. In a word it is horrific. This cannot be right.
I have contacted my local Conservative MP and I have emailed the PM in the hope that they would reconsider but they simply side-stepped and passed me to the Department of Work and Pensions without really considering the argument.
Not only are people suffering financially, but emotionally as well.
Oct 20, 2012 @ 00:38:34
hi lu, my heart goes out to you. You are right the sick, aged, and vunerable are all being targeted, This is a delibirate ploy by the government that has been going on for years. Where will it end. tax the air we breathe? There are going to be a lot of people in our situation. The governing powers that be have absolutley no idea of the real impact this is going to have. As the saying goes you cant get much sense out of a block of wood ENOUGH SAID
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:16:46
no one is taking away your security, you will be given another home so you still have a roof over your head and security, you will be ‘adequately’ housed i.e. if you need one bedroom that is all you will get. I’ not saying I agree with it but, social housing is for people in need, a single person does not need a 3 bed house.
Feb 02, 2013 @ 21:54:10
Having just read your story I now know y hate my country more an more each day. I can remember the last time the Torys wer in power an the pain they forced on the people of this country. I hope to god this evil law gets scrapped and you can live in your family home until you decide to move if you want. Good luck and always remember you are not on your own.
Feb 03, 2013 @ 14:14:16
Thank you for caring Nelson, all the best to you too, I think we are all going to need it if this law goes through, but sadly I think it will.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 09:18:06
well it could be said amy that you are irresponsible for not using a condom! why have such a big family when you can’t house them all…lets face it, it’s your fault for having too bigger family! there are two sides to every story, does that make you selfish…you see the argument here, there are too many contradictions, too many arguments for this bedroom tax to be just and fair to everyone…
Oct 19, 2012 @ 21:08:09
Hi amy, i understand your point, but each indivisual has different circumstances. In my 30,s after going through a divorce, i did consider buying my home but with 3 children to raise it was not feasible. In my 40,s as the children were leaving the nest i reconsidered only to find out i would not get the 55% off the value only a standard 16,000 off the total value which had gone up by more than 100%. So you are wrong to judge people like that, the govt and councils have orchestrated this to there own advantage, and want everyone at each others throats, well done amy you have fell into the trap.Also i put in for a transfer to a smaller property over a decade ago,as my home was too big,in all this time i have only been offered a high rise flat in a notorious area. even though they are aware i suffer a chronic illness, I have also paid for a membership on exchange sites, but unfortunately nothing suitable has come up yet. Ive been told ive accumilated high points to bid for properties but alas even bidding for 1 bed properties has not resulted in 1 viewing, so what next?
Dec 13, 2012 @ 06:32:54
Well said, Sihiron.
Dec 13, 2012 @ 06:33:46
Sorry, Shiron- spelled your name wrong! Damn keyboard!
Jan 08, 2013 @ 17:25:25
The only thing i can suggest is simply, ” DON’T VOTE CONSERVATIVE,…. IT’S BAD FOR YOU” .
Jan 16, 2013 @ 17:19:14
Thats like saying to you why you got loads of kids.You`ve put yourself in your situation.It might not of been financially feasable for these people to buy.
Jan 16, 2013 @ 21:52:52
Amy, with 4 youngsters of that age, according to the welfare reform act, you are occupying the correct sized accommodation. Children under 10 are expected to share, regardless of gender
Jan 30, 2013 @ 19:19:22
this is a comment for Amy, i find your comment extremely patronizing, for someone who cant count, and evidently you forgot to mention the fact that you were a fortune teller, and could predict the huge rise in house prices in todays current market, just out of curiosity did you buy a house when it was still cheap enough to do so?? forgive me for being rude, but it sounds like to me a very biased comment. I think if you took a good look at the statistics of how many people on HB need to downsize, compared to the actual number of houses there are to downsize into, i think then maybe you would see people’s points of views, rather than just your own.
Feb 05, 2013 @ 22:13:38
yes wonderful ill swop you love you can have my neighbours drug dealers 1 side and yes they will hammer your door looking for a fix no matter what the time is the other are polish he is going to court for assaulting 2 CHILDREN still wanna swop and risk your children im on the list to downsize no one wants my 3 bed house oh and by the way dont expect to sleep the music and partys will stop that dont tar us all with the same brush i worked and paid rent for the privalidge of the above now i need 2 bedroom cant get one
Feb 17, 2013 @ 08:02:24
You say therer are seven people…two adults and four children make six. As all of your children are so young they should be expected to share rooms. Even when we grew up we shared rooms as did most people. Living at home I did not have a room to myself until I was about sixteen when my older siblings left home. Sorry but in this case I feel you are wrong and I agree with some who believe that you should not have so many children and expect to be moved to a big house because of your choice when others are having to make decisions to have smaller families because of the same thing.
Feb 17, 2013 @ 16:58:48
Just because we had to suffer it, doesn’t mean we should expect younger generations to suffer the same conditions we did.
The idea of progress, I thought was to make things better, not to go back to the ‘good old days’ of infant mortality, death from curable diseases complicated by poor living conditions, overcrowding and private slum landlords.
Yes, younger children could share a room, but are we to be moved on every time the demography of our families change? Remember, many of these under occupied families were given the house freely because there were no smaller properties; now we have a dearth of properties of any size.
Point the finger at government, not your social allies and fellow sufferers.
Mar 04, 2013 @ 21:53:07
Before you have ago at people in three bedroom houses I have been trying to downsize for two years now I’m in a three bedroomed house and work full time but for a one bedroom bungalow thaywonted a lot more rent which I can’t afford so don’t have ago at us take your frustration out on the council
Aug 21, 2012 @ 18:12:35
Good point Amy. There are always 2 sides to a story. There are plenty of families in over crowded homes. If those who no longer require a large property moved out, surely this would solve the problem!!
Aug 21, 2012 @ 20:44:18
It can’t solve the problem because there aren’t enough houses of the ‘right size’. There are 775 households in Swindon that ‘need’ a one bedroom property, but last year only 104 one bedroom properties were let. So it would take the best part of 8 years to move them even if not a single person on the waiting list was given a tenancy in that timescale. The problem can’t be resolved without building new ‘social homes’ on a big scale.
Jan 07, 2013 @ 10:55:13
I am in my late 30′s, single parent of a 2 year old, been on housing list for sometime whilst living in small 2 bed flat, been lucky to get a 2 bed house but had to opt for a very rural location in order to not be on housing list for years!!! Was not getting anywhere on bidding system for town housing as 100 people were bidding for one house even in bad areas! The councils should be building more social housing to accommodate people, but I do not agree that people should be forced to leave their homes of 16 years especially when they are in their 50′s-60′s because they are being penalised for having an extra bedroom. Many of these people have been made redundant from work or are unable to get jobs because of age discrimination or are living on low incomes or pensions! Many are probably already in a vulnerable situation…ie depressed,financially struggling etc…Why cause further great emotional and financial distress at this time of theirs lives…after the majority of them have worked hard all their life!
What annoys me is certain families who may have never worked in their life who are living in unsuitable accommodation yet still having more babies in order to make their housing situation even worse so they get a 3-4 bedroom house! …and then they have the strong opinion that we should financially force our elderly to move from their loving homes and put them in 1 bedroom accommodation!!!! That’s if it’s available on the housing list!!
I would love to have more children (as nearing 40!) but it’s currently not practical…so why are couples continuously having 4+kids whilst living in a social housing 2 bed flat & then complaining!!!
Jan 07, 2013 @ 16:50:37
Yes, Cyprus and maybe it’s set to get worse? How many moms/couples will decide to have another kiddy so they aren’t under occupied? It doesn’t bode well for the children or the housing crisis- or the country in general.
Jan 08, 2013 @ 09:25:10
I echo your sentiments 100% Cyprus. It seems like the responsible tenants are being treated like dirt. The government think they can just move us around, or expect us to take in lodgers. It’s despicable.
Aug 22, 2012 @ 05:19:46
If there was somewhere for them to go…
Dec 09, 2012 @ 12:47:24
Move to where? There are few one bedroom properties available, maybe you think they should move into a bedsit?
People forget that time and money has been spent on peoples homes, if we can no longer rely on being allowed to stay in them long term then the houses will not be cared for as well as they have been!
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:19:23
spending time and money doesn’t come into it, home owners spend time and money, then they move and start again, it shouldn’t be any different for renters, many home owners downsize when the children move on, it’s a pretty normal thing to do!
Dec 13, 2012 @ 12:14:29
yes home owners spend money on their homes, they also usually sell their homes for a profit so get back the money they invested in the first place…how can you not see the difference…
Dec 13, 2012 @ 06:25:56
Homeowners usually move by choice; they aren’t expected to pay more for the right to a spare room.
Dec 13, 2012 @ 06:26:52
Homeowners also see a return on the improvements they make.
Jan 10, 2013 @ 22:50:57
it was only 7 years ago the housing association would pay you around £1500 to down size and give u a £50 decorating grant per room
Jan 06, 2013 @ 19:24:19
There are no one bedroom places!!!
Sep 21, 2012 @ 17:48:49
I will be affected too by this tax, I am a foster carer and have living with me,a,14 year old girl whom I will have until.she is 18 at least. I see that I wouldn’t be exempt and would be expected to move to a 1bed home. I don’t know how many 1bed homes our authority has but I would think not enough to rehouse everyone that has a spare room
Oct 01, 2012 @ 13:48:39
hi susan if its like were i live there ar no 1 bed houses only flats and round here they ar not very nice i was told i would go on a waiting list so would have to pay until i got somwere smaller .so i think i may have to give up caring and get a job but it dosent make sense the authoraty will have to pay full day and night cares for my reletives so in the end it will cost them more grrrr
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:20:28
Susan you wouldn’t be expected to move, you would just be expected to pay the bt for the ‘spare room’
Jan 05, 2013 @ 22:52:42
Being a foster carer, hopefully the overspill would be covered for the child, just as all her other expenses are. Someone is going to have to put something into place for all the foster carers out there otherwise this is going to have a huge knock on effect, fingers crossed for you susan.
Oct 01, 2012 @ 13:42:31
i am a full time carer for 2 elderly reletives and get about £90 a week plus housing benefit i have lived in my house for 14 years it is a 3 bedroom but there is only me left and i dont want to move into a 1 bed flat could i get somone to move in as a house share dose anyone no plz
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:24:26
you can’t do a ‘house share’ but you could get a lodger or two. you would lose the single person element of your counil tax claim (unless the lodger was a student) the first £20 (and 50% of the remaining if you provide some meals) is disregarded from your hb claim, until Oct 2013 when all income from lodgers (up to £80 a week) will be disregarded
Jan 10, 2013 @ 15:59:10
We r already goin 2 loose our single persons element of the council tax .
Oct 01, 2012 @ 18:48:31
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. Debra if you have not allready seen it please take a look at this page.
Oct 04, 2012 @ 18:16:22
in our village there a lot of people who would like a bungalow they all live in three bedrooms houses .they applied when one came empty.and what did the housing association do let it to someone who came from yorkshire about 300 miles away,the housing gained nothing because the people from yorkshire did not leave a three bedroom property.and our associaton would not get that from yorkshire.the reason it was given to them because they had family close.pathetic.
Oct 05, 2012 @ 14:33:04
That’s “nothing” mrs Howells, I was on the waiting list for a long time to move and imagine my (and everyone elses anger) when the homes were allocated to eastern europeans (that were never on the housing list)
Please, if anyone’s reading this, DON’T pull the racist card on me, my family hail from migrant workers and I have black people in my family, it’s not about xenophobia it’s all about fairness!!! If someone from any other race/religion/colour was on the housing list before me then fair play to them, I wouldn’t begrudge them.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 08:57:50
i think there is a point here, migration to the uk is beyond a joke, why then don’t the government charge european countries more to support their population too, i have seen a baby boom amongst eastern european migrants resulting in them getting housing…
Oct 24, 2012 @ 07:23:56
Hi Diane it’s all too easy for people to call you racist because you point out the truth . My son is black and i have fought racism all my life but as soon as i mention the east europeans whether in housing or jobs….then imediatley i am a racist !
Face facts we need more council housing and there are far too many people already here who are desperately trying to get back into the few jobs that do exist to avoid the bedroom tax or being uprooted from their homes …
Jan 10, 2013 @ 22:57:48
a friend of mine and his 18 neighbours were relocated 4 yrs ago told the house were unsafe to live in and need bringing up to date and when complete there be given first refusal by he council 5 months after moving all 19 homes were sold to the general public with no work done at all
Oct 08, 2012 @ 16:48:23
This is truly disgusting, does anybody know what Labours views are on this, will they abolish it if they get in? I live in a 3 bedroom home, I have done for 25 years, I like my neighbourhood and my neighbours, I am a full time carer for my next door neighbour and when this comes in I maybe moved to a different town 10 miles away as the one bedroom house stock is very short in my town, has anyone been to the European court with this? this is very worrying, there will be vulnerable people out there who are suffering from depression there are all sorts of scenario’s, we all have local MP’s, mine is a Tory, we should all let them know what we think, I would seriously consider a “rent strike” and not pay the money that they are making people pay but then I suppose I would be evicted,
Oct 09, 2012 @ 17:35:01
As far as I can see Labour’s views are the cuts are necessary but too much too soon, so don’t expect anything to change with them. They are, after all Blairite closet Tories.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 08:56:53
This bedroom tax is wrong in so many ways! I am 42 and lived on/off in the council house i am in now for 42 years, we started off as a family of 4, as a family we have paid enough rent to buy the house twice over and some, my mother left home when i was 16 and my father died in this house, i became ill with degenerative disc disease when i was 17, my brother moved out in his teens and got married and bought his own house, the house i live in is a very small 2 bed with garden in a not particularly nice area…i have worked my fingers to the bone over the years to keep the property up to scratch, with very little help from the council, i have spent thousands of pounds on carpets alone over the years, i have never been able to get a mortgage because of my health issues…so what now…
the government want me to become a landlord…?…i have to take in a tenant or i will be taxed, who is going to pay for the wear and tare? also it’s not always easy to live with people, who is going to sort these issues out? if we fall out who has rights of tenancy? the list goes on…
if i was forced to move where would i go? there aren’t enough 1 bed places to go to, i know cos i spent a year in a homeless hostel, if your a single male they will tell you that you will probably have to wait at least eight years before you can get a flat…
if i do ever get FORCED out of my council house, who is going to pay for my removal, i can’t do it i’m not well enough, it would cost at least a couple of thousand i’m sure…
i would be forced to rent privately as there are not enough one bedroom places, therefore it would cost the government almost 50% more to keep me there…
I AM NOT GOING TO MOVE! i will have to get rid of my two pet cats, i will have to go with out heating at times, reduce my food bill, i already only eat one main meal a day, this WILL and IS having a detrimental affect on my health…
there are much much much better ways of addressing this issue, are we going back to the old times of bedsit land, are we pressuring people to turn to crimes like fraud, are the government going to split up families and communities, are the government going to loose at least 700,000 voters, not including friends and families who strongly disagree with this tax to the most vulnerable in society, i’ve already had some of my treatment cut as part of the austerity measures, this will break me i’m sure as it will many other decent law abiding citizens, like it or not, i can not see how this tax will save money in the long term, it will only divide people even more, us and them, it will put many people on the poverty line and a lot of people will have mental and physical breakdowns…
Feb 06, 2013 @ 15:12:47
im in the same boat only diffrence is i cant afford to cook so make do on sandwiches
Oct 09, 2012 @ 09:04:31
oh and btw, my spare room is just about big enough to swing a cat in, i need a spare room because if i am ever lucky enough to find someone to settle down with i am impossible to sleep with, a spare room is a must for me, also, what do i charge for the spare room…? do i have to charge full rent…? is that fair…?…
Oct 09, 2012 @ 13:57:49
Hi I live in a two bedroom house with four kids 2 boys and 2 girls there are a lot of houses in my area with older people in like 4 bedroom houses when there is only 1 or 2 people living in them I think it’s fair to ask someone to downsize they could live on the same street if they exchanged with a family of the same street I work hard pay my rent and council tax but there are just no homes big enough at the moment for us so yes I think people should downsize a house is bricks and mortor a home is what u make it no matter where u are
Oct 19, 2012 @ 21:19:31
Hi jack i agree with you in principle, only ive been on the waiting list to downsize for over a decade, also tried exchange sites and bidding to no avail, so not everyone is holding on to there under occupied properties purposely,
Oct 21, 2012 @ 21:22:57
i have been on the downsize list for a while as well but i dont think its fair that people who want to downsize should have to pay while the council find you somewhere i had someone come only a 2 days ago to look at mine then i get a text saying they think its to small i have tryed so hard to exchange form mine its doing my head in
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:38:01
well said Jack, half the (3 bed) houses on my road are occupied by just one or two people, unfortunatley most of them are OAPs so they get to stay and families remain overcrowded
Jan 05, 2013 @ 23:05:44
I do think you have a fair point if someone could get into the same area or the same street, however who pays for the move, who pays for all the upgrades one has done to a house they called a home. If i moved do i rip up the garden, take down the lean too i installed, remove and sell of my birds that keep me sane, how about my dogs that offer me comfort, do i rehome them after 5 years or euthernise them. I like others have suffered in flats too small for myself, or in squalid accommodation before I moved from a housing association to council via a trade. You see I was not eligible for council housing with my children even though they were separate sex, I was in a 1 bedroom with them both, all I could fit in that room was a bed and cot, my cupboards were put under the stairs and the other flats had full access to my flat via the back door. So yes I have been there done that for 4 years before i got my first house. ive been in my council home for 11 years, and to me it really is where i wish to end my life. I will never move again regardless to what happens now. I am disabled, my son is disabled, we are not exempt from the bedroom tax. By the way, this may be classed as a 3 bedroom house, but be assured, it’s more like 2 rooms and a cot room and even then the 2nd bedroom you cannot get a double bed in, only a single bed or bunks, you could get away with 2 sets of bunks, but thats it.
Feb 12, 2013 @ 16:51:36
I agree, i think there are too many single people in 3 bed houses, i know people that are on benefits that are better off than i am and i go to work. Its only right that they have to pay, why should they have 2 spare bedrooms when theres people like my family – 4 of us living in a 1 bed flat because private landlords charge extortionate amounts of rent which we can’t afford even though both myself and my husband work for a living. We’ve been on the council waiting list for 4 years! also people keep banging on about the elderly – this bedroom tax only affects working age!! It does’nt matter what the government does they always get it wrong and they can’t please everybody
Feb 12, 2013 @ 18:47:36
Yes, it’s a great life on benefits. If you are on JSA you have to get by on £71 a week, unless you are under 25, in which case it’s £56 a week.
Feb 12, 2013 @ 19:44:45
I live in a two bedroom and when I moved in 3yrs ago the council new that there’s was only me movin in ,so I am askin them for a one bedroom .
Feb 13, 2013 @ 13:50:21
Point 1/Where are all these smaller properties that “people should move in to ?)Point 2/ Does this mean then that tenants are nothing more than scum who should give up their HOMES !!! while those who own a house will not be expected to move ??Point 3/ If you think being on low hours/low wages or being reduced to benefits is so great !? Would you like to swap lives ??? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:36:23 +0000 To: fisherpat@live.co.uk
Feb 13, 2013 @ 16:24:47
people dont have to leave their homes they just have to contribute a small amount its not like they have to pay all of it!, i have done low paid jobs and struggled to pay my rent so i know what its like, i’ve worked since i was 16 years old and i’m now 42. people get too much for free these days, thats my opinion.
Feb 13, 2013 @ 16:33:55
You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion veazer. However, it’s not a small amount if you are on JSA – £11 or £22 out of £71 a week. Many of the people who find themselves on JSA, take those in their 50s, have paid Tax and NI all their lives. They have paid for their HB for when circumstances beyond their control hit them, be it redundancy or illness. In the past 2 years 92% of new HB claimants are in work. Most people out of work are looking for work, but it’s not easy in current circumstances, is it?
Feb 13, 2013 @ 16:58:41
veazer…yes people will have to leave their homes because finding another £100 a month will be impossible for a lot of us, leading to rent arrears and eviction, that’s the whole point of it not being a fair tax, i’ve worked hard all my life and paid a hell of a lot of tax, i have struggled year in year out to pay my rent, yet you want to see my home taken from me because you think i’m a dole cheating ponce! your beef is with people who abuse the system, most of those are not affected by this bedroom tax! and those who are are very happy to take in a lodger, who isn’t working and claiming more benefits! it’s an idiot tax, thought up at random by public schoolboy idiots who are so far removed from ordinary society that they have lost contact with reality…
Oct 10, 2012 @ 10:59:57
i don’t think anyone disagrees with you jack, you should be able to get the right sized house at a price that you can afford, have you tried going for an exchange, as far as i can see there are bigger homes out there looking to downsize on the exchange web sites. i still do not think that turfing people out of their homes is the answer though
Oct 12, 2012 @ 09:22:08
ok, so everyone swaps homes, will this solve the problem…? what about the next generation of people needing larger homes…? what about all the single homeless people that have been waiting years to get a home, decent hard working people that just can not afford a private place…it’s a nonsense tax made up on the spot and not very well thought through…
Oct 12, 2012 @ 10:29:47
i honestly don’t think that many people will actually give up their homes, i know i wont, this is just a money grabbing tax, will this new tax go towards building new homes, i doubt it very much, it will just go towards easing the economic crisis and the lack of affordable social housing will still exist…
Oct 21, 2012 @ 21:18:54
i am going to have to give up my home been trying for a while as i dont need the extra rooms but there are a lot off time wasters out there when i have to pay the tax i will have to live on 20 pound a week
Jan 05, 2013 @ 23:12:12
sometimes the problem is the council, if someone is not eligible for your home they will not allow the trade, it’s not always those that are time wasters, had this done to myself via the council as the ones wishing to move wanted smaller, however the council insisted they needed an extra bedroom, the council would not allow someone wishing to downsize swap with me 12 years ago to go ahead
Oct 15, 2012 @ 13:13:15
All these draconian measures mean is properties will not be properly maintained by the decent tenants out there. For example gardens will not be kept tidy and those small repairs that the tenant does rather than report it as a fault won’t get done meaning the Council/Housing Association then has to send a contractor out to make the repair which will mean more cost to the Council/Housing Association which will be passed onto the tenant in the form of rent that’s not to mention the interior decorating that will not get done because tenants will think “Why should I fix it/report it when it’s not my house? The next tenant can do it.”
I lived with my parents for 19 years in a Council house and thankfully we was in a position to purchase it from them under the right to buy scheme in 2003. I’m married now and moved away my mother has also since passed away leaving my father living alone and while these changes would not effect him as he’s above pensionable age it angers me that people will be punished just because their families have grown up and flown the nest or they have suffered the bereavement of a partner.
Those living in social housing will adopt a couldn’t care less attitude towards the property they live in. Pride will go out of the decent estates out there leading to the creation of more sink estates which there are already enough of in many inner city areas.
Nov 28, 2012 @ 21:56:58
Well said Roy ,i really didn’t know where to start on what to say about all this but it looks like you and many many others have summed it up nicely. The problem is most people will not listen until it’s too late, they think it’s too ridiculous and so will do nothing !
Oct 16, 2012 @ 16:48:47
not many people on here seem to use exchange sites like homeswapper i fully understand people not wanting to leave there homes but for those that do it gives you more choice and freedom of movement .This is often not pointed out by landlords as they want to place you where it is convenient to them and put whoever they want into your property.If you have a large home you will get the pick of the properties in your area .dont forget you have the RIGHT to exchange it is not up to your landlord to decide
Oct 17, 2012 @ 15:00:28
http://images.spareroom.co.uk/downloads/socialtenants/Taking_in_a_lodger_1.pdf
Oct 17, 2012 @ 15:06:35
my housing ass just rang me to ask me if i was going to a meeting on sat, i asked them why they are ringing me as normally i would get a letter inviting me, the reply was…management are on our case to get as many tenants as we can to attend so they can explain things, you have heard about the under occupancy right…
Oct 18, 2012 @ 20:36:59
I live in a 3 bedroom semi detached house however my council tenancy states its a 4 bedroom although I have a tiny kitchen, no seperate dining room and only one down stairs toilet, also one of the rooms is so small it can only hold a single bed but no wardrobe or dresser.
I have 5 children at home aged between 20 and 4 years. Are accommadation is very cramped. I have been on the mutal exchange list for over 2 years.
I finally found someone with a 5 bedroom property who needs to downsize, has a disabled child and is also disabled, living two roads away from me. Our Children attend the same school.
We applied to our local council for consent to exchange properties, and were turned down as she was told she would be over occupying by 1 room. This does not make any sense to me as her property like mine is really a 4 bedroom property although her rental agreement stated its a 5.
If she was granted the exchange I would not be overcrowded and she would only have 1 extra room. She receives disability living allowance and has some disabled adaptations to her property, I am self employed and work and pay my rent and council tax.
My oldest is in full time education,, however she still lives at home, and although she is not working at present has never claimed benefits.
I cannot see the logic in insisting she stay in a 5 bedroom property and pay for the 2 extra rooms out of her benefit, when we need it and I pay my rent.
I have two 16 years one girl, one boy, a 6 year old and a 4 year old. the 3 boys share the small double, my younger daughter is in the box room, and my older daughter is in the other small double. We have no storage space so I have 3 wardrobes and a single bed in my room.
Does anyone know what me and my neighbour can do to appeal against this decision as we are both willing to fight for our tenancies to be changed to meet their correct description, so we can go ahead with the exchange.
Oct 21, 2012 @ 18:28:54
i believe the criteria for a bedroom is that it has to be over 70m2 or something like that, you could appeal that the extra room is in fact not big enough, plus write a detailed letter explaining the facts
Jan 16, 2013 @ 22:05:55
There is no prescribed size, if the tenancy agreements states it is a one, two, three etc then, sadly, it is. Ask for reclassification from the landlord and an amended tenancy agreement
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:43:06
crazy decisions isn’t it, I’d try fighting it, is it little wonder that some folk just do an exchange without permission!
Jan 05, 2013 @ 23:18:18
Not much as her’s has been adapted for disabled
I also had this happen to me 12 years ago, it seems their understanding has not altered in any way, we also tried to appeal but was told no under no circumstances. Seems stupid doesn’t it when you both wish the trade. I would expect they would be wanting to put other disabled into her house rather than pay out for more adapt ions or removal of the alterations.
Oct 19, 2012 @ 21:07:14
When I heard that the Tories had been voted into power, the first thing that came to my mind was “Will the british people never learn?” Why vote into power, a party that have a record of making the lives of the poor and middle class as miserable as they possibly could. You all let your hate of the Labour party make you side with the conservatives. Well, live with it. You made ur bed so lay on it.
By the way, Americans are about to make the same mistakes. They have soon forgotten how bad the country was when Obama took over. Obama has basically put down a solid foundaation and now that it is time for him to start building on it, the Americans want to vote in a rich boy who is only interested in helping his rich friends. Mitt Romney has categorically said he is not isinterestedin the pooerer 47% of the population.
My point is vote out the conservatives, and make sure they dontget in for atleast another 2o yrs if not, then this is just the beginning of your woes
Oct 21, 2012 @ 21:25:32
Right, said Fred. I cannot understand how the largest group of voters in the country, the working class coninue to belive Tory lies.
But let’s not forget, Fred that they are a minority govt. who weren’t really elected; colusion by the LibDems put them there. Let’s not forget that, and not for 20 years- let’s keep them out for 200 years.
Oct 19, 2012 @ 21:30:10
Strange to think that the majority of our electorate voted the current coalition government into power in the first place. They are the children of Thatcher and have basically just mirrored her ignorant anti poor policies which originated in the eighties. How could anyone have expected anything else from them? We should remember though the real cause of our huge social housing shortage was the mass sale of council property at ridiculously reduced values. Tax payers had subsidised the building of these houses/ flats and are now supposed to subsidise the building of new stock to replace what was sold off. Seems highly unfair upon those whom were forced to buy their homes through the private sector where no such reduced cost is or was ever available.Sorry, but just think there are some people who need reminding that they were happy enough to support Thatchers policies when they allowed them to buy their own council home, but object now when there is a massive shortage of affordable housing which affects their next generation.
How on earth did you think the next generation was ever going to be housed affordably?
Oct 21, 2012 @ 18:34:42
if voting made a difference they would make it illegal
Oct 21, 2012 @ 19:46:58
i have been hit with paying the bedroom tax i will have to live on 20 pound a week but i am willing to down size but will still have to pay till the council find me somethink which could take years so i will have to sit in the dark and have no heating for years and go down bins to get food and maybe rob to live
Oct 22, 2012 @ 14:29:53
Have you seen our facebook page? https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/364763500284084/?comment_id=364765123617255¬if_t=group_comment
Oct 21, 2012 @ 21:58:32
I agree i live in a four bed house im disabled my husband is my carer we have lived here for 17years brought up five children done the house and garden up to a good standard we would like to downsize but a one bedroom is to small as sometimes with my condition i need my own space im losing sleep worrying about where we will find the money for this bedroom tax why are the rich not being made to give up their expensive houses or two would david cameron live in a one bed flat or he survive on benefits. Make it fair not everyone wants to be on benefits we are not jeremy kyle people stop tarring us with the same brush.
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:41:28
If you did an exchange you wold be able to take a 2 bed then only have bt on one room
Oct 22, 2012 @ 14:30:50
Please let everyone know about this page :https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/364763500284084/?comment_id=364765123617255¬if_t=group_comment
Oct 23, 2012 @ 20:11:58
from what i’ve been reading i have no idea how this tax is going to work, many people saying that have tried to down size and can’t and visa versa, many people saying they are going into serious hardship rather than give up their beloved nests, a lot of people just don’t understand it all, i’ve not been happy with how my local council have been treating me since, they seem like they are really forcing this on people, they say it is to save money but i can’t see how, if you rent a spare room for £4600 a year you can earn £4700 tax free and this will not affect your benefit and they will still have to pay your rent, it’s not helping social housing at all…hang on…should i charge extra for breakfast, maybe £10-£15 for washing, chuck in another couple of quid for dinner every day…wow i’m raking it in…legally…what if we don’t get on…? who’s gonna spend all the time and money trying to sort that out….why not just cut my benefits by 20% and have done with it and leave me to live in peace like i have for the past 42 years with my neuromuscular condition…someone point out the sense in this tax…
Oct 23, 2012 @ 20:20:55
https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ please join us Henry if you have a facebook account
Oct 23, 2012 @ 20:24:43
signed already
Oct 24, 2012 @ 02:33:52
Henry, I’d love to point out the sense of the bedroom tax to you, but as I am not a politician or a multi-millionaire I’m afraid I can’t!
By the way, Pat’s link is to a FaceBook support group, not the petition, which I thank you for signing.
Anybody reading who is interested in signing the petition, it’s here:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Paul_Higgins/?caWNWbb
Oct 24, 2012 @ 13:32:11
i’m on the support group as well
…funny thing… i just got a phone call from a guy saying that he was calling on behalf of my local council to do a survey and asked me if there where any 16-29 year olds living in the premises that they could talk to, i said no, they then asked if there would be any in later on, i said theres nobody here but me and that i had just answered that question, he said oh ok and promptly hung up…i thought hang on…why didn’t he ask me if i was under 29…so he must have known my age…very suspicious…and the number was with held…are the council giving out my details to survey groups…?
Oct 24, 2012 @ 14:51:15
Or are the council checking up on occupancy? I advise anybody receiving a similar call to give no information, and to just say you are not interested and ask how they got your number as it may contravene the data POrotection Act and you may pass the information to the Information Commissioner to investigate. they will in probability hang up, but if they don’t, just wait for their reply, note details if you do wish to notify the commissioner and hang up yourself.
Oct 24, 2012 @ 15:44:10
thanks for that, i was going to ask some questions but i wasn’t given a chance! he could tell i wasn’t happy, i might email my council to ask them why they are giving my details out but i’m sure they will come out with something stupid…good advice carcass
Oct 30, 2012 @ 02:05:22
Whenever I receive unsolicited calls, I never, ever give any information; if they ask for me by name I ask who is calling- I never confirm or deny; if they quote my number, again I never confirm or deny. Always answer a question with a question- who are you; who are YOU; is this [telephone number]; didn’t you dial it? Etc.
If they seem genuine, ask them to contact you by mail- but don’t give them your address! If they say they don’t have your address ask how they know who they are talking to then, and ask for their details and you may contact them.
Finally, as I said above, ask how they got your info (my number is ex-directory- for all the good that does!), state it may contravene the Data Protection Act and you may wish to contact the Information Commissioner. That usually shakes them!
It takes some practice to get this right- it is easy, when somebody sounds official or convincing to automatically answer; it will come in time and non-compliance will become second nature.
Oct 25, 2012 @ 15:06:40
I dont give the council my number 1 That way if they want anything they can write and i got proof of what they said
Oct 25, 2012 @ 16:24:28
i try not to give out my number, i’ve had rows with my council before about contacting me, i like everything by letter too and have told them before to contact me via letter, they either just turn up or put a card through the door along with all the pizza leaflets and what not…
Oct 25, 2012 @ 16:52:54
They conveniently forget they’ve got rid of their cashiers and send people to hammer on the door even though i’ve paid the current weeks attempt at keeping up with my rent arrears at the post office
Oct 28, 2012 @ 01:14:43
How can you have 3 houses in same street all excatly the same occupied by a couple one has not to pay they are pensioners the other 2 have to pay 25% of the rent now one is council and it works out at £100 a week payment going to be £25.00 the other one is private rent and private rent is £200.00 they have to pay £50.00 out their benefit private landlord council not losing out but 2 households are out of 3 and the othere couple are terrified in case the same is going to happen to them. People are sick with worry wondering where they are going to find the money to pay for this.I was told a minimum amount to live of after housing ect paid for Im in fuel poverty as it is now in housing poverty cant afford to move and council got nowhere to move me to.
Oct 30, 2012 @ 18:52:31
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. If you have facebook Anne please join us if you haven’t allready.
Oct 29, 2012 @ 18:42:04
I know I may be stupid but I only found out about this last week I work and pay my rent.i moved last Christmas downsizing from a three bed house to a two bed flat.i spent all my savings on doing it up as I intended to live here the rest of my life and wanted it nice like my house was.i am 56 and wanted it to be homely and have my grandchildren to stay.may I say I don’t go out and they are my only enjoyment.my point is why was this not pointed out to me when I moved only 10months ago I have wasted all the money I had I can never afford to do it again.i agree with the person who said homes will not be looked after anymore anyway they won’t be homes will they.i have stopped the work I was having done on the garden I can’t afford to waste anymore money.also like the other person said If I am forced out I will not be leaving my flat in the immaculat condition it is now I.i feel devastated I hav just had a few days off as since I had the letter last week I have had a persistent headache and sickness caused by stress.i have never worried so much in all my life I can’t sleep.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 14:31:50
That’s also my point. Some of us spend money on our property. I’m not prepared to do my place up for someone to come and enjoy that for me to go to some dump thats smaller. Cant see this system working really.
Jan 05, 2013 @ 23:26:11
You know what annoys me…you are not allowed by law to remove anything that is fitted…that includes any adaptations, garden flooring, patio, kitchen, in fact any improvements that are made to the accommodation, have to by law be left…and unless you have any of those in writing by the council and the fact they will reimburse if you leave the property..they have to stay there and you lose…thats why lots will not leave.
Jan 06, 2013 @ 22:29:24
Absolutely right. We take care of our homes, spend a lot of money making it a fit place to live, .. it’s true when they say “An Englishmans home is his castle”, they just expect us to move out to a smaller place ( which in many cases doesn’t even exist). I live in a 10 story block, and lived up here for nearly 30 years, I’ve spoken to about 7 or 8 other residents who are going to be affected by the BT, and not one of them has said they are willing to move to a smaller dwelling, also,some of these people have their children and grandchildren staying with them at weekends, the whole plan is totally unworkable, leaving us to pay money we can barely afford, for our extra room.
Oct 30, 2012 @ 18:56:52
Dorothy, if you are paying all of your rent and not getting any housing benefit the bedroom tax will not affect you…………..if it does please see my reply to Anne above and join us if you have a facebook account. Also if BT is to affect you and you are getting these signs of stress we are urging people to visit their GP’s and tell them what is going on. MIND the mental health charity are
also interested in hearing from people who are being affected by stress depression and anxiety because of the welfare reforms!
Oct 31, 2012 @ 09:00:04
Does anyone know the ramifications of refusing to pay this bedroom tax?, Can our local council evict us if we refuse to pay. I have spoken to quite a few people who are simply going to refuse to pay it. I’m quite a law abiding person and i will probably pay up, even though it will mean making a drastic cut to my already meagre standard of living. ( I’ve paid so much rent on my flat over a few decades before losing my job, it would be a massive wrench to leave my lovely flat .. this is my home!!). I really dont think the government have taken the human aspect of this new welfare act into consideration, leaving your home is a huge personal sacrifice, memories friends etc. Taking in a lodger is also out of the question for many people who prefer to be on their own, it can ruin your life.
We are being treated like cattle, this is one of the most outrageous acts any government has ever dreamed up.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 14:30:14
Hi tommy, just by reading most of these comments, to be honest, i cant see it working at all. If they cut down anymore we will all be living in tents there’s not enough properties to enable people to move about. They should be building more council houses, let’s face it, when we pay our rent they don’t put much back in to it for us they’ve got to make profits by renting out.
Feb 12, 2013 @ 17:48:30
maybe this is to try and make people go out to work to earn money then they would be able to afford to pay a few pounds towards having a roof over their head, WHY DO PEOPLE EXPECT EVERYTHING FOR FREE!!!! the government are trying to claw back some money beinmg as this housing benefit is costing them millions and at the same time getting back some council stock, why can’t people see that?
Feb 12, 2013 @ 18:45:57
Council Housing isn’t free is it? The government is doing nothing of the sort. It’s demonising people on benefit. It’s stupid economic policy is pushing up benefit. The only way to get HB down is to create jobs, not sack hundreds of thousands of public sector workers. Why isn’t the government supporting building new Council Housing? That’s the only way to tackle the shortage. Most of the people who are unemployed want work. The problem is that there are 2.5 million unemployed, plus 1.38 million people who are only in part-time work because they can’t find a full-time job.
Feb 13, 2013 @ 20:44:55
There is lots of empty 3 bedroom houses Cowgate Newcastle why r these empty…..?
Feb 12, 2013 @ 21:53:53
Stop tarring everybody with the same brush, there are people out there who would gladly work if they could, and what about the disabled is it right to target them because they cant work, one day you might be singing from a different song sheet, because it could happen to anyone, i,m sure people love getting by on benefits,while the people who made this change enjoy a life of luxury, where do your loyalties lie?
Feb 13, 2013 @ 03:39:12
Are you for real? What about the billions going abroad to tax havens, sanctioned by Osborne’s legislation; how about these rich buggers paying a decent amount of tax on their fortunes so poor people can be provided for.
Feb 13, 2013 @ 10:25:54
veazer, if the government wanted to claw back some money then why not just put our rents up, why pick on the sick and vulnerable…can you understand that huh…can you understand that it would cost the government more to house me in the private sector, how will the government save money! our local homeless hostel has a four week waiting list to get in! a single mum will wait a year to be rehoused, a single male will wait up to ten years to get a one bedroom place! the only place for me to go is a private flat that will cost the government a lot lot more…
Oct 31, 2012 @ 17:06:27
i am currentley living in a two bedroom adapted property with my husband who is disabled . i am his sole carer and because of this i will have to pay rent , when infact im actually saving the goverment money by being his carer and not insisting that we use a external carer for which the goverment would pay for. i was told if i had a external carer i would be exempt from the bedroom tax but the local housing said if i changed to a external carer now i would be classed as a cheat of the system but i ask you where is the sence in spending more money to save when we can stay the same and save more.they should be provisions for the disabled who have had thousands of pounds spent on there property to keep them in them safe in thier homes. but i was told down size or pay the bedroom tax insisting i move from the property i have lived in for 25 years.As it stands we are on benifit of which the goverment says is the bare amount you need to live on so when you take in to account the bedroom tax i would recieve less than what the goverment says in THE MINIMUM AMOUNT TO LIVE ON IS …
Nov 01, 2012 @ 09:33:09
It only goes to show the inhumanity of these people. 66% of households affected by the bedroom tax have a disabled person in the household.
I don’t know what area you live in but it’s worth putting in for the ‘Discretionary Housing Payment’. Each local authority is waiting to hear how much grant they will receive for this. Their won’t be enough to go round but it’s worth you trying.
Nov 01, 2012 @ 14:23:45
it’s outrageous David, as you have pointed out, you are actually saving the government money in your current situation. This whole thing just beggars belief, I wouldn’t be suprised if this welfare act came about by someone in an office number crunching, and it looked like a good idea on paper, in reality it’s ruining people’s lives, and forcing people to live well below the poverty line.
Nov 03, 2012 @ 14:36:36
my husband and i have lived in our 3bed home with our two boys for 16yrs and continue to do so even thou our boys have left home with children of their own both myself and husband have never claimed benifits since living here as we have always worked full.time until 5yrs ago when i was very ill in hospital and was laid off my job as a carer of 32yrs
so now am ckassed as disabled at 55 my husband worked up until a year ago wgen he had a bad acccident in his lorry and was laid off work at the age of 67 so he now has st
ate pension but i am worried out off ny mind as i am under workibg age there is no way we cab afford to move as we turned a seni derelect house into our home abd spent a lot of money niw we face homlessness as we wont be abke to affird to live here esoecially if my incapacity benifit is stopped
Nov 23, 2012 @ 14:26:53
We too spent a lot of money on our council home. If we moved out and a large family moved in to this they would be well pleased with the well maintained condition it’s in. What would we get in return and where would the area be. I honestly can’t see this ‘new idea’ working at all. They should take a look at the system of ‘exchanging by mutual agreement’. At least there’s more choice there.
Nov 03, 2012 @ 18:46:47
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page.
Nov 04, 2012 @ 05:48:23
As I understand it, Josephine if your husband is in reciept of his pension, then it won’t affect you; if, however he is recieving pension credits, then come October 2013 he will have to claim Universal Credit and you will be expected to contribute part of your HB.
Nov 13, 2012 @ 01:04:20
ITS terrible that so many people will be affected by these decronian rules.will be back tothe victorian times of overcrowding,illness, poverty and crime. The poor being used as scapegoats. ITS the working class squeeze to promote the wealthy towsrds higher riches. I am worried as im in a 3 bed property,and will hve to pay 25% next year. cant sleep wondering about having a hme, food or heating. lotsog people had cuts to benefits due to private company atos, using unscrupulous tactics, to say they are fit to work, then they hve lost benefits and home.
Nov 15, 2012 @ 20:29:45
We live in a 3 bedroom council house , we have raised four kids here lost one along the way sadly the other 3 have flown the nest , my wife has severe Emphysema and is on oxygen i have Heart disease and Polycythemia ( blood disease ) .
We are of course on benefits i worked in the coal mines for 17 years before i was Toried by Thatcher, i had a host of jobs after that i was never scared of hard work before illness struck me .
Now of course we have to move after 26 years in the house, now let me be clear we were going to wait till my wife was 60 then apply for a bungalow, we always believed another family should be allowed to bring their kids up in this house as we have, but the way it is being done is cruel and unfair and once again the Tory’s are at work, but what has made this whole thing worse is that the Lib Dems have propped them up, i urge you all to send them into oblivion at the next election they are nothing more than power hungry backside lickers who have sold their souls for limo’s and high office along with the people who voted for them although that was very few .
Tomorrow myself and my wife will view a one bed apartment rented out by our local housing Association, our council has no where near enough one bedroom homes and can not keep up with the demand for them, i need not go into things such as the needs for more social housing to be built it’s been said enough on here and rightly so, i believe there will be rent arrears like never before along with over run county courts issuing eviction orders like never before , i believe that there will be riots on the streets starting in the inner City’s and spreading all over the country, the police wont be able to control it they to have suffered huge cut backs and may think why should we ? .
The poll tax was smashed because over one million people took to the streets of London they brought the evil witch Thatcher down, it needs to happen again, i do not condone riots like those last year that were in the main without reason, but there is a huge reason for people to protest now not just for the bedroom tax but for cuts to the poor and to decent working people who face the dole and years off misery under this cruel Government , get off your knee’s Britian and fight back hard .
Nov 15, 2012 @ 20:42:39
Could you all please sign this petition thanks .
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Paul_Higgins/
Nov 28, 2012 @ 23:04:37
Mick i agree with every word, it will come to protesting, those who don’t believe this is going to happen are going to get a nasty shock . I think there was a rumour the council were going to force people out but they couldn’t do that because many people signed a tenency for life! so then it was said that it would affect only new tenents, which i think may have been fairer as people living in homes for years and doing them up spending money on them, not to mention their family , friends, should not be expected to move. Maybe they could offer an incentive for some people to move if they want to, this could be money for re decorating, carpets, ect so they wouldn’t lose out. This does not affect me but whos to say it might not in the future, that’s what we should all be thinking about!!!
Nov 28, 2012 @ 23:12:01
What i failed to address though was that if they started this rule with new tenents they are very unlikely to bother looking after their properties for someonre else to benefit later. T he more i try to come up with answers the more ridiculours it gets, it really can’t be done.
Nov 19, 2012 @ 00:01:42
I live in a 3 bedroomed house with my grown-up son. he has mental problems so he is unable to work, i have heart problems and recieve incapacity benefit backed up by income support. I myself recieve just £75.00 a week. I already have reduced housing benefit because my son lives at home. he gives the money to pay the extra rent. However we are still considered to be under occupying because i have one spare bedroom. I have a neighbour who lives in a 4 bedroomed house, but because he is 63 it does not affect him. He is in good health and could under occupy for another 20 or so years. Plus he sleeps downstairs so the 4 bedrooms are empty. He does not have to pay and i do. This is so unfair. How can they do this. Its rediculous. I am going to really struggle when this comes into affect. There are going to be riots also next year. The riots in London in 2011 will be nothing compared to whats comming. it is going to get worse.
Nov 21, 2012 @ 22:47:42
i have lived and worked in the same town all my life i’m english, never been in trouble or and debt yet me and my 9 year old child have been on the council house waiting list for over 8 years but i’m still at the bottom of the list,as i’ve always private rented i’m told i’ll always be at the bottom of the list and will have to carry on private renting for the rest of my life ,which was fine when me and my childs dad were both working full time,but when we split and i became a single mum and i lost my job and had to claim housing benefit i had to pay the short fall of £25 a week in rent out if my jobseekers as the is a limit on the housing benefit did not cover my rent,so why shouldn’t people with council homes payout the same shortfall as us that are made to private rent,i have to pay exrta and i haven’t even got a spare bedroom.i now work full time and i have to pay £650 a month in rent on a 2 bed flat and £100 a month in council tax out of my wages(i only get £15 a week housing benefit and no council tax benefit),i’m on min wage so life is a struggle all the time, but is impossible on benefits.i would give anything to have a council home where i only had to pay £100 a week rent on a house!!!!but i’m never going to be that luckly. so just give a thought to those that are not working and not allowed a council home and are made to private rent,as they already have to pay rent shortfall out of their benefits as the as local house allowence has never covered the whole rent as most landlords charge the earth.i’m at the moment looking into renting a one bed flat and me and child will have to share a bedroom but even then i’ll still have to pay way more rent than anyone with a council place!!!
Nov 22, 2012 @ 20:55:42
Mandy, the answer to the question is not that Council tenants should be treated as badly as private tenants. There should retn controls in private rented accommodation to stop exploitative landlords. The rents are so high that it is driving up the HB bill – its more or less a subsidy for private landlords. Stupid.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 10:37:11
Totally with you on this one! I have also been told that I will have to wait until a bigger place becomes available that could be years because you get people in social housing with spare rooms that refuse to downsize! a lot of them on benefits that us workers pay to keep each month as well as being worse off! I am glad they are bringing in this tax and I hope it forces these selfish people to downsize so that people in need of extra space can have it
Nov 23, 2012 @ 22:00:22
There is little, if any, difference between the working poor and the unemployed. WFTC is welfare in exactly the same way as income support and housing benefit. If you don’t get tax credits then presumably you’re poor anyway, despite being in work, or you would buy a house instead of waiting for one on a social housing list. Don’t see why you see yourself as being more deserving than someone on benefits who has occupied a council house for many years and spent a lot of money on their home. You’ll still receive the same ridiculously high rent subsidy when you eventually are able to occupy one. Thats a massive advantage which people who are forced to buy houses in the private sector certainly dont receive.
Nov 24, 2012 @ 16:36:59
Sarah smith, the problem largely lies with there not being enough smaller properties to move into.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/406238062772006/
There are lots of people willing to move, but have been unable to who have been waiting long before these changes to benefits.
And as Martin Wicks said, we are talking about homes, not just bricks and mortar.
Nov 28, 2012 @ 15:39:09
mandy…hang on…how about give a thought to your babies father, he should be made to pay the shortfall not us council tenants who have had nothing to do with this, who have done nothing wrong, yet we are being made to pay it…the government want us to think like this…don’t be fooled by it…
Nov 22, 2012 @ 16:03:39
I agree with the bedroom tax I am working but pregnant and require more space. I lived in a 1 bedroom flat for 12 years because I didn’t require a bigger place but now I do so people with spare rooms should quite rightly downsize, its social housing for people who need it. There are hundreds of smaller places with people desperate to swap on home swapper or house exchange. there is not a shortage for smaller places but a shortage for the bigger housing because people stay in them despite having spare rooms.
Nov 22, 2012 @ 20:59:59
Don’t know where you livre Sarah but there is a massive shortage of smaller homes. In Swindon if nobody on the wiating list was given a home it would still take 8 years or more to transfer the numbers who qualify for one bedroom (couples included). Would you be happy when your child leaves home to be forced into smaller accommodation? You have to put yourself in other people’s shoes. The problem we have is a shortage of council housing owing to the right to buy and the end of Council house building. The bedroom tax won’t resolve the problem, only a new Council house building programmr will.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 14:21:39
I am in council accommodation. I am a foster carer, so in effect they are saying the foster child doesnt exist as her room is ‘spare’. We have been in the house for 19 years. During that time we have spent thousands on the garden, getting it how we want it and a full fence all around we paid for. Put our own kitchen in, floored it all etc. So I’m not prepared to move to a smaller property where I’ll be taking pot luck at the state of it, who the neighbours are and what ammenties are about. I’ll pay extra if i have to I’m not moving for someone to come and destroy 19 years of hard work getting it to my taste.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 15:55:41
Penalised for being a foster carer. This is the reality of the ‘bedroom tax’. It’s got nothing to do with using existing accommodation more rationally. It’s about creating scapegoats. They are trying to get people who need a bigger home to blame the tenants rather than the government which is (together with New Labour) responsible for the Council housing shortage.
Nov 23, 2012 @ 22:04:24
Exactly!!! How obvious is it and how thick are some people for realising this. A ten year old would Suss it……
Nov 23, 2012 @ 15:25:46
Well we turned down the one bedroom apartment we viewed , the young guy living above has 3 Asbo’s we took a trip over on the Saturday night the music coming from his place was deafening he had a group of mates in there , one neighbour told us they are always fighting in there and it ends up in the street no thank you .
Now to you people who are private yes i know people should give up there larger homes so you can bring your kids up as we have , and that’s what we intend to do, but remember who allowed social houses to be bought the Tories that’s who, followed by Labour who never stopped it , these houses were never meant to be sold neither were they built to be sold .
IDS was on question time last night and frankly the guy is an utter disgrace, he is asking the disabled to leave their homes , he is making kids share a bedroom till they are 16 even though there is a spare bedroom in the house, he is making people pay for that spare room even though it is being used .
This is no more than a Tory attack on the less well off and the sick and vulnerable people in our society today, while the filthy rich get away with tax evasion.
The answer is to build more social houses but the plan is to get more people into private accommodation where Landlords will charge sky high rents and evict them if they do not pay , do not believe the Tory lie that it is housing benefits that are crippling this country, if this Government stopped tax fraud they this country’s would not be in Debt , in fact they will not save no where near the amount of money from HB that they would in tax fraud, what’s stopping them making these people pay tax ? these people are their class that’s what .
We have now been told that because of our illness we qualify for a bungalow BUT they never really built that many so the hard truth of the matter is we have to wait for someone to die or at the very least be taken into a care home , so im sorry you younger people we are going to dig in here and wait , i know that makes you and your kids wait but that’s the way it is under a Tory led government.
The main thing is to stop blaming each other the Tory’s want that it’s called divide and rule and i notice some on here are falling for it , vent your anger at the Government and IDS in particular the guy is a snake in the grass , if we let them get away with this a lot worse will follow, prepare for a window tax i kid you not .
Nov 23, 2012 @ 15:56:27
Well said Mick.
Nov 27, 2012 @ 08:49:18
I’m not sure if I’m right about this, but people who reach state pension credit age between April and October, 2013 and who are under-occupying will be affected by the bedroom tax indefinitely, yet won’t be able to claim Universal Credit or get practical support with seeking work or more work, and won’t be entitled to the much higher disregard for rent from taking in a lodger. It would be almost impossible, at least in the south-east, to move to private accommodation without an income from work and any young people of the family would prevent a move to retirement housing. Discrimination against older people? Absolutely!
Nov 27, 2012 @ 18:26:03
I have spoken to AGE UK about this, they may look into it When BT comes in. I think that anyone over 50 are going to be hardest hit. More difficult to find work or extra work, not so easy to think about all the hassel of moving and have probably been in their homes a long time and spent fortunes on them. See our page if you are affected: https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/ We have petitions to sign and lots of support and advice.
Nov 27, 2012 @ 11:15:55
There are a lot of pensioners out there who live in three bedroom houses, I know I might sound callous but ,My daughter who is a single parent which isnt her fault, has to pay this bedrrom tax, Why should pensioners be any different as they dont have to pay this bedroom tax ,they could move to a smaller property as there is a shortage of family homes
Nov 27, 2012 @ 17:52:19
Val, even if they want to mover there is a big shortage of one bedroom properties. We should be arguing that nobody should have to pay the bedroom tax, not that everybody should be treated as badly. The only way to deal with the shortage is to start building homes again.
Nov 28, 2012 @ 11:21:38
totally agree Val! I have lived in a one bed property quite happy for 12 years now I am pregnant and need more space I can’t get rehoused! I work full time I dont claim benefits yet dont earn enough for child care plus private renting so am in need of social housing, people on here moaning theres a shortage of smaller homes and yet on house swap and house exchange there are hundreds of flats no houses because people refuse to downsize and refuse to pay a bedroom tax! I will happily pay this tax move out and I will move in!
Nov 28, 2012 @ 14:11:48
There is a shortage it’s a fact. The DWP has publicly admitted that there is a big shortage and recognised that even people who want to downsize may not be able to, though they are going to make them pay regardless. On top of that probably half of the so-called ‘under-occupied’ homes are pensioners who are not affected by the bedroom tax.
Nov 28, 2012 @ 15:24:53
well sarah, why don’t you put your child up for adoption if you can’t afford it or have an abortion! sounds a bit extreme doesn’t it! well you might love your child just like many council tenants have loved their children and loved the homes they grew up in! i love my home! it’s taken blood sweat and tears out of me for the last forty two years not to mention thousands of pounds! and you think it’s ok for me to give it up!…where do you want to go with this…is it ok to have a child when you know you can’t support it!?! is it ok to want to keep the home you put your whole life into and your sons/daughters lives and memories into!?! the answer is clear, the government should be able to give you a big enough place to live and leave me alone, the bedroom tax is wrong on every level! to think you would be happy for me to move out and have that depression over me is sad, we are all the victims here, victims of bad government decision making, yet you would be happy jump on my back given half a chance, was i in the wrong when the government gave me my tenancy to think it was for life? when i signed it, it was for life, i never in my wildest dreams thought this was going to happen, so i planned my life around it, was i wrong to do that? no, how could i be! was you wrong getting pregnant when you knew you couldn’t provide properly! makes people think doesn’t it! this is what the government wants, people at each others throats, lets all go back to the victorian times…
Nov 28, 2012 @ 15:30:44
val, would you really kick an old person out of their home, when that old person signed the tenancy it was for life, they have done nothing wrong…
Nov 28, 2012 @ 22:51:58
Well said Henry, I am in a very similar situation to you, I was offered my 2 bedroom flat in 1986, .(had they offered me a one bedroomed flat I would have taken it btw), over nearly a quarter of a century I have paid out well over £70,000 in rent .. i never envisaged at any time that I would be in danger of being asked to downsize or have to pay for the the extra bedroom ( i lost my job in 2009, and cannot find work at my age now, so i rely on housing benefit). I have spent thousands over the years on keeping my flat in good condition, I have excellent neighbours and there is no way I am giving up my home. We are being treated like sheep by the government who think we can just be moved around into appropriately sized pens. Well, we’re not sheep, we are human beings, and we deserve to be treated as such. This new welfare act is bordering on criminal, come next April, many low income families will find thier meagre rations cut even further, sinking them further into debt. I’ve never heard of any other country introducing such a barbaric law, to me, it’s morally wrong, I wouldn’t like this on my conscience if I were a Tory MP. People are already stressing out over this, and it hasn’t even started yet. I really do fear for the future.
Oh yes, come next April, The Tories have ensured every millionaire in the country gets a massive tax cut. You couldn’t make it up.
Nov 30, 2012 @ 14:04:41
That was a very nasty remark about Sarah,s Child I hope you are proud of yourself ,You state that you have done nothing wrong ,I doubt that with remarks like that , you sound a VERY NASTY PERSON
Nov 30, 2012 @ 16:09:38
I have deleted Sarh Smith’s comments which were very abusive. We can have sharp disagreements in discussion but I won’t accept abuse and bile.
Nov 30, 2012 @ 19:31:49
thank you , how about removing Henry,s posts as well i find telling someone to get an abortion or wear a condom offensive as well,If the remarks were not there then perhaps there wouldnt be an abusive reply
Nov 30, 2012 @ 21:37:23
Well Val, Henry was offended by the idea that he should be forced to move out of him home. At least he was arguing a case, and making the point that the government wanted tenants at each other’s throats instead of fighting against them. I have left contributions on here which I personally find offensive, but I dpon’t want to close down discussion. Abuse is another matter altogether. As I have said before on here, you have to put yourself in somebody else’s shows and consider the principles at issue, otherwise we would all argue from the point of view of naked self-interest.
Dec 01, 2012 @ 17:31:35
Thank you martin, i was not out to devalue anyone or offend anyone, i was simply stating the facts, i was giving an example of how this government could interpret sarahs situation, they don’t like single parents and could just as easy turn this on you like they have to us with this tax, i thought that was pretty obvious! i’m sorry you have been so shocked and disturbed by my comments that you have had to resort to calling me a peadophile, you obviously didn’t get it sarah, i don’t find your comments offensive though, i don’t have have a criminal record, i have a good education, i don’t drink and i don’t eat meat often, i have worked very hard all my life until recently because my spine is rotten, mostly due to the amount of hard work i have done and as of last week a i have a very beautiful new partner, who will be moving in soon and my worries about the bedroom tax over, i also do not wear a string vest, i am actually very conscious and stylish about how i look and smell, i look and smell lush, i also have some design work that i can do from home, life is good and your not getting my home, ever! sorry you got stressed, i was just trying to be honest and open, maybe i was too blunt for you…but then it’s you who wants me out of my home so you can move in…and be happy about it…
Dec 09, 2012 @ 13:57:08
totally agree with you Val!
Nov 27, 2012 @ 23:21:41
It struck me last year that we don’t see many high rise blocks being built these days, they are ideal for one bedroom flats, and you get a superb view, i know they aren’t everyones cup of tea, but in this current climate of lack of social housing , i have no doubt they would be much in need.
ps, Martin, I wrote a letter to the Evening Advertiser in Swindon yesterday giving my view on this dastardly Bedroom tax, I’m hoping it will get published in tomorrows paper. Couldn’t resist taking a swipe at this government
Nov 29, 2012 @ 12:06:06
The HA are pulling High rises down here Tommy. Not that I would fancy moving into one at my age….can hardly get up one flight of stairs, but our HA have said they do not have anything smalle for us to move to,not that we want to after being settled in our house for almost 20 years, We spent 7 years of hell in the previous one we had, drug dealers and nasty neighbours. Petrified we could end up in a similar circumstance if we are forced to move! That would kill us. If you are on Facebook you may be interested in our page :https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
Nov 29, 2012 @ 18:55:46
Hiya Pat, thanks for your comment, I’ve lived in a high rise for well over 20 years, i love it up here, i know a lot of people would’nt like it, .. horses for courses i guess. Thanks for the Facebook link, I think I’m already signed up to that one, .. it’s got well over 4000 members last time i looked, it’s shocking to hear people’s individual cases, ..it’s going to hit so many different types of people, young families and older people who, like me, have lived (and paid full rent) for many years. How can the government get away with this???
Nov 28, 2012 @ 17:48:17
I have lived in my flat for 19 years the last 7 of those i have had to put up with anti social neighbours,drinking till all hours of the morning, abuse at myself and my family , the council have done nothing to help me ,my mental and phyiscal health has suffered badly now in April I have to pay bedroom tax,Are they taking the mick or what?
Nov 28, 2012 @ 19:37:55
I think what we should all be asking is where the hell is Liam Byrne the Shadow
Work & Pensions Secretary in all this , we have not heard a tweet from either him or Labour’s front benches on this issue , it seems to me that Labour have ditched a section of our society in favor of the middle class vote , i urge you all to e mail or write to Byrne and urge him to speak out on this , last week on Question Time socialist Journalist Owen Jones went to town on Ian Duncan Smith in fact he showed him up for what he is a Liar , we need more people like Owen Jones on the Labour front benches , Labour are letting us down .
Nov 28, 2012 @ 19:48:42
Here is my letter to liam Byrne
Liam when are you going to address the bed room tax from the front benches ? people face losing their homes or a large chunk of their income , the Disabled are being forced to pay or get out of their homes and move to where ? there is a dire shortage of one bedroomed homes in the social housing sector .
This is the cruelest tax since the poll tax and it should not be ignored , this is Labour’s chance to prove that it does represent the disabled and the least well off in our society , i urge you and the labour front bench to fight this loudly and in the public eye , as yet Liam you are looking very weak on this im sorry to say .
You can contact him here.
http://liambyrne.co.uk/
Nov 28, 2012 @ 22:24:34
i have been in my HOME for 38 years and council want to kick me out. (Under Occupancy) They took last house which we owned and paid us a pittance (Compulsory Purchase) I looked after my disabled mother for years whilst still working. It was council who stopped me working to become a carer cheaper to have a low paid carer than put her in a home. We were thinking about buying this house like our neighbours. Now i am disabled and all they have in their minds is to make money out of the most vulnerable in society
Dec 03, 2012 @ 22:30:31
just been looking through the rules on this and am sure that in some cases this breaks the law as it states that children of mixed sex up to the age of fifteen should share a bedroom also do feel sorry for the lady trapped in this altering of pension age, as i am also 59 but as my birthday falls late in the year my pension age will now be one month off 65 and employers do not want to know you over the age of 45.
Dec 04, 2012 @ 17:18:21
john maguire it isn ‘t your council who want to kick you out . it is the Tory led Government back up by a few power hunger Lib Dems , it’s your council who have to deal with this cruel tax .
Dec 04, 2012 @ 20:33:18
Before removing anyones benifits it seems only just that councils can offer altenative accomodation of the correct size. If this is not to be the case then this is just another cost cutting mony making exercise.
Dec 06, 2012 @ 15:50:48
The councils have no where near enough homes to re house everybody , it is a way of milking money out of the least well off, it is also a way to making people go private and end up in the hands of greedy landlords .
Dec 07, 2012 @ 11:57:58
this is so wrong i myself have not got this problem due to i own my home, But you work all your life maybe to build a littie nest egg for your retirement to be forced to pay more and more every year let alone the uk sends £400,000 to other countrys even more in some places and forget the people that are on the poverty line in the uk how much more blood do we have to give how much more money do we have to loose let the people in power live on what some people live on in this country
Tom retired
Dec 07, 2012 @ 18:52:30
As I understand it, people are not simply being kicked out their homes. The majority of council tenants who work and pay their own rent will not be affected. It is only those who are in receipt of housing benefit who will see a reduction of that benefit – but again, if they make up the shortfall, they will be able to stay where they are. Nothing to do with nest eggs for retirement.
Dec 08, 2012 @ 11:14:01
Well i have just had my letter from the council about the bedroom tax, I have a two bedroomed flat, so i have to pay it, the letter states that you may be able to pay the shortfall yourself by cutting down elsewhere, use your savings or get help from a family member, it also says don,t ignore the problem go to the money advice centre so they can help you plan your spending or move to a smaller property ,and the quickest way to do that is look on the home swapper service, so it looks like you have to pay to move and start over again , how many of us can or want to do that? I cant believe what i am reading I am 58yrs of age Ive just had my sickness benefit stopped even though ive had very bad asthma since i was a child, so how do you cut down elsewhere? so in the matter of a few weeks ive been cured of my condition and had my benefit stopped and been told how to manage my money which i havent got this truly is GREAT BRITAIN
Dec 08, 2012 @ 12:37:26
And to cap it all Val, Osborne is uprating HB by just 1%, eroding its value.
Dec 12, 2012 @ 06:30:37
One of the more disagreeable aspect of this is, of course that most people on HB are working low paid jobs while the government rhetoric still claims it is dole scroungers they are after.
Dec 11, 2012 @ 17:33:07
I’ve been placed on a work programme after being found “fit for work” by ATOS. ( I wont go into detail), but what has shocked me is the number of people who are visibly in a bad state of health, clearly not fit for work, who are being made to attend the work programme, they are patently unfit for work, some can barely walk, yet the government thinks some company can employ them. It’s a national scandal which doesn’t seem to be reported by the media.
Dec 11, 2012 @ 18:45:01
In real life the main problem is that companies don’t want to employ disabled people, not that disabled people don’t want to work.
Dec 11, 2012 @ 19:43:05
yer i understand what your saying my sister inlaw had cancer all over her body and they said she was fit to work of she would loose her money from the state she died 5 weeks after
Dec 11, 2012 @ 20:49:08
Ive had this problem all my life, sorry we cant employ you as your unreliable, you have to leave as the dust is making you ill, Val this isnt working you will have to leave , the doctor told me I cant work, so they can train me up to be a rocket scientist if they want but they cant make me better so it becomes a choice money or your health and you need both,and i believe that atos get a bonus for every person they claim are fit for work
Dec 12, 2012 @ 06:27:12
Quite right, Val; if you cannot afford to pay the BT, how do they expect you to be able to afford to move?
Dec 13, 2012 @ 21:37:34
no probs s c i appreciate your comment, and surfice to say, you have made a lot of valid remarks and comments yourself. As we truthseekers know, the problems of the system is controlled by government (divide and rule) i call it silent mass genocide the more sheeple that wake up to it the less control they have, David icke predicted hurricanes, social decline and unrest in the late 1990,s but they called him CRAZY funny how everything he said has become reality, As ive stated before you cant get much sense out of a block of wood/ice
Now i understand what was meant when it was suggested we are being controlled by lizards hmm ICE COLD BLOCKS OF WOOD = NO EMPATHY
Dec 08, 2012 @ 17:55:08
I hear on the grapevine that some councils are ready to make 3 bed roomed homes into 2 bed roomed homes , this is because of the disgusting rule that same sex kids can share a room till they are 16 so they might as well share one big bedroom , if this is true then good on those councils it will be one in the eye for the smug IDS, the sooner this crazy plan is shown up for what it is ie unworkable the better , it is no secret that call me Dave wanted him moved from his job at the last cabinet reshuffle, maybe call me Dave knows full well that IDS is batting well above his station ? .
Dec 10, 2012 @ 13:58:17
Im at my witts end, I lost my husband last year and right on top of his first anniversary the bereivament allowance stops and Im transfered to ESA and my rent gets reduded by £48 a week, I have to pay council tax, plus arrears and pay back an over payment from £99 ESA. I feel Im being penalised for my husbands death! On top of that I have utility bills, weekly gas & electric which leaves me with about £10 a week to survive on! I dont want to move out of my home they are taking everything away from me, I cant work due to poor health which has been worstened due to the death of my husband and now this worry of me losing my home, Im a month in arrears and dont have a very understanding landlord now he worries I cant meet my rent, the smaller properties are hard to come by as so many other people have been put in the same situation, and cost wise there is very litte difference in amounts from a 1 2 or 3 bedroom in my area so even if I did move out in to smaller I stull wouldnt me any better off.
Dec 11, 2012 @ 10:20:27
Speak to your Council about Discretionary Housing Payment Kate. They are available for helping people out who are in difficulties.
Dec 11, 2012 @ 09:33:55
Kate i am so sorry to hear of your plight, find out if your local council has a finance officer who can help you we have one here in Wigan , also you must go and see CAB and get some of your payments reduced, no one can live in ten pounds a week nor should they be expected to .
Jan 07, 2013 @ 12:12:14
thanks Mick. I am a volunteer with CAB and usually we see these case studies as a last resort. I believe the main problem with people is apathy unless it directly affects themselves.
Dec 19, 2012 @ 15:53:25
These changes to housing benefit in just another way to take the spotligh off the real issues such as government corruption, blame those on benefits. I have always worked and have now been unemployed for almost 6 months despite many efforts to get work. I will face the bedroom tax as I live in a 2 bedroom house alone since my grown up son left home 4 years ago. My benefit of £71 a week is not enough to live on let alone pay £12 for my spare room. It is a dismal existence. I feel for everyone who is facing this issue and also feel that everyone should stand their ground and not pay the tax. I will not be moving as I have spent money on my home and making it liveable which it certainly wasn’t when I took it 16 years ago. It is unjust in every sense and just another form of control from the Bully Eaton Boys. Nice try!!
Dec 19, 2012 @ 20:26:01
I’m in exactly the same situation as you Janine, .. paid rent for over a quarter of a century whilst working work to pay the bills, never in debt, very careful with my finances, … then in 2009 my firm went into liquidation, and i had to rely on housing benefit. Like you, i recieve just £71 a week JSA now, … I can just about get by, … but come next April I dont know what i will do, it’s not only the bedroom tax, but also here in Swindon we will now have to pay 20% of our council tax. ( i think it’ll work out about £5 or 6 a week), … so i will effectively be living on £54 a week, to pay electric, gas, water, food, clothing, etc.. I can see myself having to rely on Foodbank donations come next April. How can the Tories do this is beyond me!!, .. I have written to my local tory MP, and he more or less just fobbed me off. It’s a national disgrace.
Dec 19, 2012 @ 23:42:42
Tommy, thanks for your reply and I’m so sorry to hear about your situation too. I am similar to you in that I worked and paid everything myself whilst raising my son as a single parent following my divorce. I have decided though to stand my ground and not move from my home. Are you considering moving or are you going to remain in your home? I really hope to secure work ASAP and before this tax comes into effect. I am even prepared to go on a march and represent myself and support others in this situation. It is very difficult as you say to live on benefits and my monthly income is now less than I was getting for 1 week when working. The council tax changes you mention will effect everyone, again everyone on benefits. Its good that you wrote to your local MP and even though you got fobbed off, you are still standing up for what you see right. One of the biggest downfalls in this country is people not standing up for themselves and others, collectively in groups. Thatcher created the ‘singled minded’ breed of people that we see all the time in the UK, its a great manipulative way to segregate people. She was also a huge instigator of the current debt crisis that we have here in the Uk and of course the selling of council homes. Tommy, I hope you stand your ground, maybe I’ll see you in Swindon on the march!! I hope things work out for you too
Dec 21, 2012 @ 11:21:32
Please be aware that refusal to pay is quite different from inability to pay- I know from your comment you will be unable to pay, but don’t refuse; tell them you cannot pay, and produce a statement of means to show as much; the consequences are quite different.
Jan 03, 2013 @ 16:00:23
Thanks for your info Smiling Carcass, just a query here regarding the payment issue, wouldnt people still be taken to court for arrears regardless of the reasons for non payment of BT? Would it make any difference regarding court proceedings and possible eviction? I mean if people were to provide evidence of income/outgoings and being unable to afford the BT payment, I don’t think it would make any difference in outcome. The LHA and government know that people cant afford to make this payment but I would think that they would still abide by the housing law regarding arrears?
Jan 04, 2013 @ 09:59:48
There is a difference; I don’t want to mislead, but I believe the diffence is that refusal to pay means the authority will not take a lenient view, may not offer help and will seek eviction and the courts will not take a lenient view, will side with the authority or HA and will evict; in the case of inability to pay, they will consider circumstances, will try to offer solutions, local authorities may not seek eviction, but a suspended possession order and the couirts will take a lenient view.
That’s how I see it, that’s how I believe it will work- there are some people over here-
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
who are very good, and will be able to give you more accurate information. Take a look, ask your question there.
Dec 19, 2012 @ 18:54:27
The bedroom tax doesn t affect me, but it will affect my daughter as my eldest grandson has just left home. Like many of the people posting on this site I think it is one of the most cruel things this or any government has ever done. I just hope every tenant will send letters to their MP stating exactly how it will affect them as I am sure a lot of MPs live in “cuckoo land”, havin no idea how tenants will be affected next April. They are already backin g down over the changes to DLA . The majority of claimants for that benefit will not now be reassessed until October 2015. I suspect the reason for this is because they won t want stories of disabled people losing their benefits just before the General Election . The same thing might apply to the bedroom tax BUT only if we all kick up as much fuss and publicity as possible. I am going to write to my MP and I hope everyone reading this post will do the same. Some of the stories on this web site are heartbreaking
Dec 27, 2012 @ 07:15:26
I too am going to lose my home of 38 years!! I love this little house and its heartbreaking to lose it,i have just one spare room which is constantly used for family and friends who stay to help me,,sister lives in america,when she comes over she stays,grandkids stay,son lives away and they come to stay it is constantly used!! its a family home,,i feel safe here and know ALL of my neighbours,everyday someone knocks on the door to say hi or drop off little pressys,,apples,compost,sweets,its like a little village i have built around me,my garden has been a labour of love too which i have packed with wildlife that rely on me,words cannot describe the sick feeling i get when i think of having to leave which is through no fault of mine,its so very unfair.
Dec 27, 2012 @ 12:58:54
Why do you have to leave Patricia?
Dec 27, 2012 @ 23:55:55
Because i am on long term incapacity benefit as i have ongoing health problems,,and i wont have enough money to pay the bedroom tax and council tax and all other utilities,its just impossible and im soo sad,i am 60 in may and i cant bear to leave everyone i have known all these years plus im on my own so no extra income,i am actually scared of the future now.i managed to scrape along before but now it is impossible,am due to go into hosp for yet another op in march so i still cant even try for a job,, catch 22
Dec 30, 2012 @ 18:32:33
Why not try for the Discretionary Housing Payment Patricia? I take it you’ll get your state pension at 61 or so?
Dec 30, 2012 @ 18:39:03
What is this discretionary housing please ?
Sent from my iPhone
Dec 31, 2012 @ 18:07:25
If you click on the tab at the top of the website you will see an explanation there Kevin.
Dec 30, 2012 @ 18:44:13
Hi martinwicks i did ask about DHP and the council were supposed to send me a form but i never received one maybe i will try again and i dont reach state pension age now until 63 and 5 months because of the changes,and i would like to thank you for trying to help me.
Dec 30, 2012 @ 21:36:15
Definitely worth a go Patricia. I don’t know where you live but in the case of Swindon they have the DHP online. Perhaps your local authority will likewise.
Jan 01, 2013 @ 16:36:55
You don’t have to leave your home; you can pay the extra, don’t ya know? Does it matter that you cannot afford it; to this unelected administration; do they care, with their tax-payer funded second homes, expense accounts we could only dream of plus £64,000 a year minimum wage?
Dec 30, 2012 @ 11:09:51
After reading this Sheila seems to be in the same position as my mother . My mother has been in her house 32 yrs whilst my my bsiblins and I have all fled the nest ,, my mother trying to survive on her very poor benefits is already struggling and now she’s worried to death by this bedroom tax it’s disgusting !!!!
Dec 31, 2012 @ 22:37:41
I have also been told to pay the extra money or take a lodger in,yet i have health issues and am on benefits. I have been under an immense amount of stress due to this and i have been really unwell which has caused my illness to deteriorate. I have lived in my flat for 13yrs and put every thing i have into it,it is my security and i feel safe and happy here and now feel i am being forced out. It is all i keep thinking about night and day and can see no way out. I seeked out this sight and glad i can share it with others going through the same ordeal.
Jan 01, 2013 @ 14:31:16
Hello there Sheila. Have you had a look at Discretionary Housing Payment yet?
Jan 02, 2013 @ 18:23:03
Hi martin-wicks, i had a council man come to my home before christmas to give me this bad news and i mentioned about Discretionary Housing benefit and he said he would get back to me. But i cannot see away out of this unless i pay the bedroom tax and i have 2 extra small bedroom which means 25 pound a week and thats before having this dreaded medical to cut my benefits more. They gave me this home to live in and when my daughter left it has left me with extra room,but i suffer with under lying border line bi polar and other symptoms and am really finding all of this to much to deal with. Im hoping my replies will not come up on my face book as i would just like to see this on this page please thank you.
Jan 02, 2013 @ 21:31:17
What’s your local Council Sheila?
Jan 01, 2013 @ 19:05:33
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/ Take a look at this link. People are waking up to the challenge they are facing. You are not alone!!
Jan 02, 2013 @ 18:24:08
Yes thank you Marian54 i have.
Jan 02, 2013 @ 21:54:13
NOrth Devon Council and i live in Barnstaple and my housing is north devon homes.
Jan 03, 2013 @ 23:50:55
It’s disgusting the way the less well off are being marginalised, come April the gulf between the rich and the poor will be as wide as the Grand Canyon. I saw a Facebook post only this morning that gave a list of people who have taken their lives over recent benefit cuts. Reading some of these posts is really heartbreaking to read, you can tell that these people are not scroungers, they are honest decent people who just want to live out there lives in relative peace and quiet. It’s shameful the way the government are treating us.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Keep our Council Homes wrote:
> ** > Sheila Passmore Was Gayton commented: “NOrth Devon Council and i live > in Barnstaple and my housing is north devon homes.” >
Jan 05, 2013 @ 00:56:18
There have been a lot of comments on here that there will be riots and demos as big or bigger than the Poll Tax……..no there won’t……..the people directly affected by this are in their thousands and are renters who are on benefits and the majority are to old or ill to get a job, the Poll Tax affected millions that included every one. By the way I am one of those who rent, are on benefit are to old and to ill to get a job after having worked all my life until 58 so I will be affected also
Jan 05, 2013 @ 14:54:51
this is going to affect 3/4 of a million renters alone, that’s with out friends and family members, i’m only 42, plus there will be other austerity measures being brought in that will affect the middle classes soon, also squatters have been affected too, combined efforts could easily see a big turn out, if we do not see any riots this or next year then i will be very surprised, most other countries have seen it so far, we just don’t see it on the news, i think once it is put in place and reality kicks in we will see a huge rise in public discomfort…i will try to attend any public demos and i will try to bring as many friends as i can, i can’t do it on my own but with help i can
Jan 05, 2013 @ 20:35:30
Henry I hope you are right and I will be along on any demo’s if my health allows it. Strong high numbered regular demos will do more than “doing a Tottenham” which will lose a lot of respect from people you will need in the future
Jan 07, 2013 @ 16:29:47
The leaders of Liverpool and Sheffield councils have written to the so called PM and informed him they will be civil unrest over these cuts, lets not forget that the working poor are also being hit as they to can not afford this BT .
In the meantime i urge you all to to lobby your council over the BT if you are in a 3 bedroom house with two kids under ten same sex then demand that your council knock one of the bedrooms through to create a larger one thus killing the tax , there are ways round this tax, Demand that your if your council apply for a re possession for arrears then that the person/people are evicted then re homed back into the home they were evicted from, it is law for councils to re home someone evicted on benefits ,
It is time for the people to stand up and fight this cruel tax .
Jan 07, 2013 @ 16:55:53
i’m worried they will axe the tax and make it law that you have to down size…
Jan 08, 2013 @ 20:48:43
hi , i live in a 2 bedroom house and I am single but at 27 I am planning on starting a family in the near future so I will need the extra room in the next 2 3 years , also just wanted to point out that a lot of people out there have pets , I consider my dog part of the family and my best friend , now there are smaller 1 bedroom properties that I could try to move to but about 90% in london have a no pets rule so I am not moving out and giving my dog that I had for the last 7 years , people need to consider that there might be other reason to why folks with bigger homes don’t want to move ,
Jan 10, 2013 @ 07:32:51
i am a 47 year old housebound lady in a wheelchair i live in a 3 bedroom council house alone with no assistance since my daughters left home ,i was forcibly moved to this house 10 years ago when the 2 bedroom council flat i lived in was sold to a developer and subsequently demolished , im unable to cook for myself or bathe ect . my rent has already jumped from 62 per month in december to 94 this january ,after benefit deductions , add to that gas and electric has jumped up £24 in the same time frame , despite only heating 1 room , ive already cut back on just about everything ,eating 1 meal a day no snacks cancelling my mobile phone and having home phone outgoing calls barred ,our local council stopped help with gardening for the disabled , a service id paid for ., then sent me a nasty letter demanding i tidied my overgrown garden ,so having no help to tidy the garden it cost me £400 i didnt have to call in a gardening service , or be in breach of tenancy for my untidy garden .. the council then cost me £160 for a new tv areal after one of their subcontractors moved my old one and snapped it ,
now im being told that i have 2 spare bedrooms and must pay or take in a lodger , a) where do they expect me to get the 25% extra bedroom tax from ( im terminally ill) b) move , again where does the money come from and help to pack and unpack a 3 bedroom home and move it , i cant afford it , my treasured possesions ect wont fit , whos going to pay for carpets and cutrains ect , the power shower i had fitted , the special taps and and handles i had installed , the non slip flooring all of which i saved hard and paid for with my dla
c) take in lodgers , i.m vulnerable enough without inviting strangers to live in my home id be terriified and i couldnt clean after them ect
as far as i can see the goverments caused this houseing shortfall by letting in to many immigrants who need housed who also take jobs from british people and claim benefits .
i didnt ask to become ill . i didnt ask for a 3 bedroom home ,i didnt want to be jobless and homeless when my exhusband dumped me for a healthy chavette half my age and he got the family home ,id worked paid my taxes put my daughter through uni but am simply far to ill now , this whole worry is putting a further strain on my health , i fear im either going to be homeless , starve or freeze to death befor 2013 is over ,,,,,, sorry for the rambling but i do suffer from confusion ect due to the severe anemia i have developed as a sympton of my illness ,
Jan 10, 2013 @ 07:47:58
im just wondering , with these forced lodgers ,, im assuming its my beds , bedding , towels . appliances , ect they would be using ,id have no control over my own possesions is that fair . , i also assume they would would watch my tv with my tv licence use my power shower bth ect ,,,,,,,,,, which arnt even in a spare bedroom , what if they destroy , damage steal , abuse my possesions , would it be feasble to supply a empty room and put locks on every other door in the house ,to stop people using MY things ,
Jan 16, 2013 @ 22:26:02
Diane, please, please please contact your local citizens advice and also your local social services, in Scotland we have Adult Support and Protection social work, you ave the same in England although I forget exactly what it is called. Phone social services and ask for the duty social worker and tell them your circumstances. You will be entitled to discretionary payments in the short term, longer term they can, should and will if forced, help you out. Please do this Diane, every single person and every single life is important, that includes you. I wish you all the luck in the world with this
Jan 17, 2013 @ 15:01:52
diane, you should get in touch with your local cab office, or you can contact powher, they are a group who speak on peoples behalf if they have difficulty
http://www.pohwer.net/
Jan 17, 2013 @ 19:43:45
Here in Swindon, the council have sent out letters regarding the Bedroom tax, and 20% payment of housing benefit which comes into effect in a few months ( everyday it’s getting closer!!!). One of the things they said in the letter if we are going to struggle to pay was : “Ask friends or family if they can help out”! How have things come to this where the council are asking us to rely on family and friends to help paying our bills???? It almost beggars belief.
Jan 10, 2013 @ 15:46:52
I’ know how ” Sheila ” feels we won’t be able 2 live use our heatin, eat , buy clothes … God help us … I have lived in my 3bedroom house 34yrs I keep it clean never had at complaints from the council … The gov is making us suffer well & truly no point in livin nothing left 4 us … I do work but my hrs go up & down + no one wants 2 give us a job at our age … I don’t want 2 move away from my family ” Why should we ” I feel sick
Jan 11, 2013 @ 19:54:28
Have you seen our facebook page? https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
Jan 12, 2013 @ 23:35:21
My situation is similar to yours Cath, .. it’s totally wrong. I’ve paid over well over 20 years of full rent and council tax on my 2 bedroom flat, lost my job, now i rely on housing benefit, I feel guilty having to depend on it, but i have no choice, I now live on £71 a week, and I cannot afford to heat my flat, and come April i will be forced to pay £12 a week out of that, plus 20% of my council tax. And the MP’s this week want an extra 32% pay rise on top of their £65k a year, it makes me mad.
Jan 12, 2013 @ 11:50:36
Mass meeting in The Black-E in Liverpool today at 3pm to organise an opposition to the bedroom tax.
Jan 12, 2013 @ 15:45:45
Let us know how it goes Jill
Jan 12, 2013 @ 16:03:10
good luck
Jan 12, 2013 @ 19:18:26
Hope it goes well, good luck too!
Jan 12, 2013 @ 21:00:47
I am going to face having to pay, spare room tax as, both my girls have left home now. Its rediculous to make people face a choice, of pay rent or heat ur home. This is what it will come down to. If the government want people to downsize, then build purpose built one bedroom houses of a decent size, with small garden. That tenants would gladly move into. Im in receipt of incapacity benefit at the moment. But, have received a medical questionaire and do not know the result of that yet. But, im worried as, although i have passed medicals in the past, i know that people are being deemed fit for work, although they are far from fit, for work. Im better off than sheila but, still i would face a choice of pay rent, or heat my home! What will the government do next? Bring back victorian work houses? to put the sick and the unemployed!
Jan 13, 2013 @ 14:25:29
Its poss David cameron is thinking of just that as we apeak
Jan 12, 2013 @ 21:16:15
Went to the meeting today in Liverpool to form an organised response to the war on ordinary people being waged by this government. We are going to put together anti bedroom tax community groups in our local areas to support each other. We are going to identify if this tax is legitimate, for example parents who are separated but have access to children over weekends and need the bedrooms are being discriminated against.
If it comes to it and civil disobedience is the only way then so be it some laws are so oppressive they need to be broken.
Jan 12, 2013 @ 22:04:02
no one will be happy with my comments but i dont care, councils have exempt thousands of tenants from paying C/Tax and even water rates under Mentally Impaired for years WHY? working in social care ive seen it all, why should anyone be exempt from paying water rates. thousand of people get so muchmoney they cant spend it and some of those people live alone in houses too big for them. yes i know what youre thinking im attacking the vulnerable, NO i am not, infact the vulnerable are the people who work hard not those who do not work, why should people who have worked their life lose their home, only people who dont get off their arse who who have never worked should b told to move and those who never will work. im fed up working to help so called vulnerable people who are so much better off than me. not everybody classed as vulnerable is.
Jan 13, 2013 @ 15:45:39
why don’t you care frenchy…you obviously do care because you have voiced your opinion here, it’s a contradiction in terms is it not…the reason why people are exempt from these taxes is because they are under treatment for mental health issues, surely someone who has never worked and contributed to the system all their lives and believes this to be right surely has mental health issue, you can’t just label people scroungers even if they obviously are, it’s societies problem, there isn’t a huge difference from somebody scamming the system than from a company executive cleverly avoided a huge tax bill, i’m afraid there are people like this in all walks of life yet we perceive it as ok for the wealthy to do it, also, we are not talking about people who work losing their homes, the bedroom tax is an austerity measure brought in to reduce the housing benefit bill, it does not affect the average hard working person, this will have a serious damaging effect on those who”as you say” have worked hard all their lives, maybe if all the tax dodgers paid up we wouldn’t have to attack the “so called” vulnerable, it was the hard working men in power that sold our housing stock, it those same men who have not built new houses to meet demand, who allow the system to be abused, who allow migration, who create the lack of jobs and the education to provide for ourselves, your comments are understandable and don’t upset me at all, people should say how they feel so we can put them straight
Feb 13, 2013 @ 16:41:34
i agree with you frenchy, i’m fed up with people moaning that they have to pay, well we have to pay. if you add up all that benefits people get over the whole year it would probably be more than i earn at work. housing benefit, council tax benefit, JSA/INCAPACITY, free prescriptions, free dental, free glasses if needed etc.
Feb 14, 2013 @ 10:42:21
veazer, i’m glad you have found a place to vent your frustration, trouble is that’s all it seems to be, it would be nice if you actually had something constructive to say, all you have to say for yourself is how jealous you are that other people vulnerable people are getting some help and how everyone with a spare room who isn’t working does not deserve it and those on the breadline are all scroungers…say something useful and meaningful please…
Apr 08, 2013 @ 02:14:46
And you work in Social Care Frenchy..Well God help them!
Jan 13, 2013 @ 00:49:31
This tax doesn’t affect me but it doesn’t stop me being appalled!! This government won’ t be happy until it’s got its “plebs” living as they did in the city slums of the 1800′ s. 5 families to one house – a large family living in one room!! What’s the next step? 10 families sharing one toilet out in the back yard!!
Why are all benefit claimants being perceived as scroungers by this government? There’ s always been a small minority of scroungers, always will be, but the majority of claimants are genuine people who would much rather not be claiming.
This has nothing to do with “freeing up housing stock” otherwise why are pensioners on benefits exempt. Why not double the rent for a single person or couple paying full rent for a three bedroom council house. They only need one bedroom and double rent might encourage them to downsize. Obviously, I say this tongue in cheek. It is all to do with reducing HB costs.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum AKA Dave and Nick and all those who follow them, should be ashamed of themselves.
People need help! There are few jobs available that pay a living wage.
Jan 15, 2013 @ 23:19:10
My concern is Lord Freud’s reply to a caller on a radio phone in was to take in a lodger…the caller protested that it wasn’t allowed as per their tenancy agreement. My concern is that who would be that lodger given the scenario…. And possibly not vetted and near children. It wasn’t so long ago that CRB’s were mandatory if you were even an arms length to a child…now you might need to hire a spare room out to anyone who can keep you from penury!!!
Jan 13, 2013 @ 10:25:38
I am 59 years old and have lived in my house for 18 years. My matrimonial home was repossed in the era of Margaret Thatcher, as indeed were millions of others repossed. It is laughable now but our mortage was only £19000. But none the less times were hard.
It was also the time when council tennants were allolwef to buy their homes. I do not blame them for buying their council house, but they should never have been put into a position where they could buy them.
I was truly greateful when i got this house.But of course I do feel guilty living in a 3 bed house, and have wanted to down size for some years. However I only get offered old peoples dwelling with no garden or flats on estates where drugs and bad behaviour are rife. My house in somewhat small and for a growing family it is not viable as the 2 small bedrooms are not big enough for a normal single size bed. 10 years ago I was allowed to knock down the joining wall to them and so now have a 2 bedroomed house . None the less it is classed as a 3 bed.
The one joy I have left in my life is be able to have my grandchildren with me and to stay at home and see them play in my garden. They have no garden as they live in a flat. I do all I can to help them , but in truth it would be madness to give up my house for them as I simply could not cope with the noises and the hell of an estate. I do all I can for them even to the point of helping my daughter to drive and got finance in my name for a nice car for her( for which she pays for). But at least they can get out of the flat now. I have never had a loan in my lifetime and I will always do what I can to help my children and grandchildren
I suffered an accute nervous breakdown in 2002 and over the years have been sectioned 4 times. I live a very private quiet life that I can cope with and feel secure and not afraid. My neighbours know me and I feel safe. To move into a dwelling that would change the emotional status of my life would be detrimental to me and intern on my family. Although it will be hard on me I will be one of those who WILL be paying the 25% increase.
It is easier to live on a pittance that it is to live in fear and emotional stress.
I would give up my house tomorrow if the council / housing association could move me into a one bed place with a garden and privacy. But in 7 years they have offered me nothing but old peoples dwellings without a garden.
Kids need a garden , but so do those of us who still want a quality of life. Just because we are over 50 does not mean that we do not deserve a garden or joy to be in a home of happinness and safety.
Yes I will pay the 25% and will not moan as I shall still have my home. I would rather live in peace than live in an emotional hell.
I would be happy for a family to live here if tomorrow I got offered a place where I could feel happy and at peace to live in.
I agree that social housing should be freed up for families, but older people like myself also deserve a quality of life.
Jan 15, 2013 @ 23:37:07
Rita, this is exactly the desired response you are providing…and it is not your fault. There are terrible politics at work and they work through fear! They set one citizen against the other and while you are doing that you forget who is really the devil in this decimation of a society carefully built in the aftermath of two world wars.. Do not envy your fellow citizen…and be ready to help.
Jan 17, 2013 @ 19:17:32
the council are trying to do that to me i want a garden as i allready have one as i have dogs and get cronic migrains so i need a garden
Jan 17, 2013 @ 19:14:40
i am on the downsize list with the council i rang them today t see if they had anythink they said they dont i have tryed to do an exchange but with no luck found one place but my soafs wont even get in the frount door or the window why carnt the goverment postpone the bedroom tax till the councils have got some they havent given people much time to do anythink i have 2 dogs and am not geting rid of them i will just have to pay it but dont see why we have to when there are no places to give us
Jan 18, 2013 @ 15:55:48
The truth is getting out there, those of us against this unfiar “tax” are starting to be heard. We have been on radio shows,in the newspapers and there are plans for TV stuff in the offing. Defend council housing DPAC and the unions are now starting to support our fight against the cuts! Our Facebook page now has nearly 6000 people nationwide :https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ tell your freinds and come and join us!
Jan 18, 2013 @ 17:04:51
this country is a joke.they are quick enough to help other countries,but when it comes to people like my self who has lived in Britain,and worked in Britain all my life they think it is ok to screw us for every penny we have.not acceptable.
Jan 19, 2013 @ 23:37:25
I totally agree with you ,what a pile of pants , We will soon be Asking Bob Geldolf, to help this country, and write a song for us
Jan 19, 2013 @ 08:26:00
Other posters may have already mentioned this and I apologise if I’m going “over old ground”. For most of us, taking a lodger, goes against our tenancy agreements. Then there is the danger to think about. It was not so long ago that CRB’s were required if you wanted to volunteer to help out on a school outing. Now we have a situation where you may have to let out the extra room in your home to a stranger! Who will pay to check this person and ensure your family’s safety?
Jan 21, 2013 @ 22:47:50
I have just written a letter for a 56 year old man who is on high rate disability allowance.
The council want to charge him for two extra bedrooms.
He has lived in the house for 25years,he is extremely ill and may not have much longer to live.
We may be able to hold on to one of the bedrooms as he has a carer stay over in the week but he may still have to pay for the other bedroom
Jan 30, 2013 @ 23:52:24
The other problem with the BT is, if families end up taking in lodgers, who’s going to pay for the CRB checks on them, if you cant afford the 15% cut then there is no way people are going to be able to afford to pay for the safety checks on these people, you could end up with any one living under your roof, and without a doubt the dangerous ones know this and could easily take advantage of the system worming their way into anybodies house, this is the thing i fear the most, families with children living under the same roof as a paedophile, or a lunatic, not because they choose to, but because the government has forced their hand.It seems to me they haven’t really thought about the dangers and problems that could come to the surface with this, and i certainly do not envy them when the backlash from this abysmal charge comes back to them with a vengeance , i think crime is going to go through the roof, and i have a horrible feeling the next generation will be a whole new level of messed up.
Feb 11, 2013 @ 15:31:34
I have grandchildren that stay now & then with me … No way I would take a lodger “STRANGER” yes y right these paedophiles must be clapping there hands….. plus 2 share all what I have worked 4 …. It’s like a night mare but the only thing is we r not goin 2 wake up from , I’m tryin 2 safe now by not using my heatin buyin less food + will have 2 cancel some of my bills ‘phone ect’…..
Feb 12, 2013 @ 01:24:08
i know what you mean cath, i’m trying everything to avoid putting the heating on and i’m feeling rough but i need to start saving now! i also have to go to a specialist neurological hospital this year and i’m worried i won’t be able to afford the train fares on top this tax…
Feb 01, 2013 @ 12:00:26
I am on Disability Living Allowance, higher rate. My house has been adapted for a disabled person (my husband, who sadly died suddenly 18 months ago)I have lived in this property for 30 years and never owed any rent. Now I have had an operation to correct my disability and will be coming off disability benefits soon, but have no job (I lost it due to my disability)
I am receiving treatment for depression partly due to this unfair tax and don’t know where to turn.
Feb 01, 2013 @ 16:45:36
Have you applied for the Discretionary Housing Payment Joy?
Feb 01, 2013 @ 12:20:13
This Bedroom tax is a complete joke i live in a 3 bed house and have done so for the past 25 years i have always worked and have raised 3 children on my own, due to ill health i am now on esa and am unable to work, i have one child whos now 16 still living with me i have spent thousands of hard earned money on my property including new front wall and gates which alone cost me £4000 its taken me years off saving and scrimping to have a beautiful home for my children why should i have to give up my home, the council have offered me a two bedroom house on a horrible council estate in very poor condition miles away from my friends and family. I swear id rather die of starvation then lose my home !!!!!!!
Feb 01, 2013 @ 19:14:38
we had to go through mortage rescue because both me and my husband cannot work having lots serious health problems , we would both love to be healthy enouugh to work , we did mortage rescue because we were only getting help towards half the mortage and they did help with all rented propertys now they are bringing in the bedroom tax and i have only just found out about the council tax contributions we will have to pay, we are 52 and 56 ,up untill the last few years worked all our life from when we were 14 years old , my husband has some dla and i have recently won an apeal to stay on esa , i went for a work related interview today and the advisor said there is nothing he could do to help me because of the amount of health issuses i have, he would just send for me again in three months to update the files as i have ongoing appointments with the heart consultant , sleep clinic because of central sleep apnia and nurolagist because of problems with my spine , we are increasingly worried about our future and feel really let down for working most of our life,
Feb 02, 2013 @ 11:15:11
This is what happens wen we the working class don’t stick together an use our vote. There is no way this cruel government should have got in to make these laws. This is so unjust an unfair. It’s our community that’s being dismantled and killed off. Y should people have to leave there family homes an friends an neibers
Feb 03, 2013 @ 20:51:04
it time this gov was out, i say lets put them out dont vote for them in 2015, yet it ok for the MP to have two homes why not put them in a hotel sure it would be cheaper
Feb 03, 2013 @ 22:36:08
Its not unfair its fair! and about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right i am working class and live in a council flat with my children, we are over crowded. My partner works 6 days a week on a measly wage just over the cut off so we do not receive any benefits other than (child benefit and tax credit) not even housing benefit. I think if you don’t pay the rent in your council home which has spare bedrooms then yes you should face housing benefit and other benefit cuts. Even if you don’t claim full housing benefit the same should apply. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve lived there, it doesn’t belong to you it belongs to the council if you wanted to stay in your council home maybe you could have looked into buying it from the council which now a days most people would give their right arm to be able to do, or try down sizing back then. I think most of you should be grateful you have a home as your not really paying for it, if only a percentage. Times are tougher and every one struggles not just you. I know people that pay a mortgage and have children of a different sex sharing a double bed in one room to keep warm at night, because they have to actually pay to get double glazed windows. My dad lives in a reck of a home with exposed concrete floors and wire’s he has hole’s in his floors and ceilings, and no central heating! i lived there and slept on the floor with my baby and partner until fortunately the council rehoused us. That is what social housing is for, the needy and homeless !! so even though our home maybe small and we struggle to get by i am grateful to have a roof over my head, so should you be as well three bedrooms or one!
by the way my dad is 56 and has done tarmacking all hes life, never had any qualifications and has arthritis in the bottom of hes back and hand he finally gave it up 5 months ago and since then been looking for a job night and day been to countless interviews and 2 weeks ago finally finished hes training to become a bus driver.
I’m sure he could of claimed disability for hes back like most people, but my dad has responsibilities, a mortgage to pay and some god damn dignity.
And i do agree that it can be hard to find work at a certain age, and at any age in many cases. But i think the problem may lie with immigration, the population grows every day with out the pressure of people who immigrate here looking for work. The government should have been more strict years ago because i think its slowly having an impact, putting more pressure on social housing and making jobs hard to come by.
Just to make clear I’m not against immigration. My partners mother immigrated from the philippines as a nurse. I do think rules have to be more strict people have to learn they cant get every thing for half free and need to take some responsibility in life, help those who truly need it and have the rich actually pay their tax’s!!!
make the corporate rich pay more tax, help people on benefits back to work and pay their way! but leave alone the ones stuck in the middle, the ones who work 6/7 days a week for nothing and get no help,and are always hit the hardest.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 10:08:52
Stop talking rubbish; get a mortgage and buy your council home? Well, that would surely help the housing shortage, wouldn’t it?
Sarah, so many council houses have been sold- often at huge discount- that Bevan’s vision of decent, good quality council homes for all has been perverted back to Lloyd George’s post WWI social housing agenda- homes for the needy. The failure to build has accentuated the issue and left us the mess we are in now.
I can see from your story how you would feel disenfranchised, but the fight is for you and people like you and your father to have good quality homes at affordable rents. This agenda will see us back to the days of the slum landlord, working or not.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 10:41:54
Sarah, the problem lies in the government and previous governments failure to build enough social housing and bad management of the economy! The right to buy is still in place for anyone who wishes to buy their council home, the right to buy was brought in as recognition to all those council tenants who worked hard to upkeep their council homes, who have paid enough in rent to buy their homes three times over in some cases, we know. We know we do not own the properties but when we signed the tenancy agreement it was for life, a legally binding agreement, not an agreement that says in thirty or forty years time you will be forced out from your home, a home that i am truly grateful for and one that i have paid a hell a lot of money for through years of very hard work, i must also point out that many of us through health reasons can not get a mortgage because we can’t get life insurance, i will also point out that councils do not give out free double glazing, the money for that is taken out of rents paid by tenants to bring their homes up to a decent standard and not by the average tax payer. The ones who work a full week are not being affected by this tax, if you work six days a week you will pay full rent anyway, the national minimum wage over six days gives enough to pay your rent!
Feb 04, 2013 @ 10:54:53
One thing I think you are wrong about there Henry. The right to buy was brought in by Thatcher to divide tenants, to get them thinking about their own interests as opposed to the interests of working people over all, and the need for Council housing. It was the right to buy which was responsible for the shortage of homes.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 11:17:13
hello martin and thanks for the reply, when i remember the tories bringing in the right to buy i can remember their reasons for bringing it in, i remember them saying that good hard working tenants have earned their right to buy, it’s not something i just made up, wether it was propaganda at the time or not they voiced this reasoning
Feb 04, 2013 @ 19:38:19
Fair enough Henry. However, the real reason was that they wanted to break up the base of support that Labour had on Council estates, by appealing to the self-interest of tenants. Together with RTB they progressively stopped Councils building new homes. Would you agree that RTB was one of the main reasons for the housing shortage now?
Feb 04, 2013 @ 11:21:54
I agree with you Henry ( and Martin).
Sarah isn’t seeing the bigger picture, the Tories seem to have succeded in causing friction between council tenants who are being affected by this unfair bedroom tax. I’ve lived in my council flat for nearly 3 decades now, paying full rent and council tax over that period, at no point did i ever think my tenancy would be under threat ,I’ve more than paid for this property twice over in rent payments. There is no way I will move, nor will any of my neighbours I’ve spoken to. I’d like to know what feasability study did the Tories carry out on this bedroom tax before they implemented it?, It will have little or no effect on the chronic housing shortage, .. Martin is right, .. we need more smaller properties built. I wasn’t given the option of a one bedroom flat when i moved in here in 1986, had I been offered a smaller flat, I would have gladly taken it at the time. Even if people want to downsize, yet they are told by thier council there are no smaller properties available, they will still have to pay the tax, .. how in Gods name can that be right??
This welfare bill was rushed through parliament with, it seems to me, little thought. I suppose if there is one tiny glimmer of light, .. it will , eventually bring about the downfall of this government, but not before many people’s lives have been wrecked.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 21:02:48
yes martin i agree with you that the huge right to buy sell off was partly to blame for the lack of social housing today, i also remember the tories saying that the money would be reinvested back into building new social stock, it never happened, the money was used elsewhere, it was a scam, i also believe that had the tories actually built the new homes promised the scheme would have worked, now we face a huge problem, if they build two million new homes every year from now on it will still not meet the social housing needs of this country, this bedroom tax will not even touch the tip of a very big iceberg, it has nothing to do with the social housing problem, it is purely to cut the housing deficit, i think the only way to bring any fairness into the bedroom tax is to introduce it to new tenants only, it’s just a really bad unfair tax and should be axed, it is also political suicide…
Feb 04, 2013 @ 01:48:22
Disgusting making us pay this tax.
I won’t pay it because its disgusting and unfair.
This government are deliberately targeting council tenants and I can’t afford to pay it as I’m a full time day/night carer and have just turned 60. It is disgusting and I don’t care what they do I will never pay it. SO!!!
I will pay no bedroom tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 04, 2013 @ 11:32:47
This is also something that is going to frustrate me, and will be a problem for councils up and down the country. Abbey, i can see your point, I agree, it’s unfair, but I consider myself a law abiding person, and i will have to make extreme cuts to my budget in order to pay this extra £11:48 a week, it will be a real struggle for me to make ends meet, but I will pay it ( very very begrudgingly). I know there will be many who will refuse to pay it, therefore they will be £12 a week better off than me. I know i will feel resentful of those who refuse to pay it while I am trying to keep my head above water and paying it.
The tories are dividing the poor while we should be focused against them.
Maybe i will write to my council and ask what actions they will take if I refuse to pay.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 16:04:27
Hi, could anyone tell me I am a 67 years old and a pensioner I live in social housing in a two bedroom house. Will I have to pay this bedroom tax.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 16:19:47
No Stephanie. Pensioners are excluded.
Feb 04, 2013 @ 23:28:24
As martinwicks said, no, not if you live alone or your partner is also of pension age.
Feb 05, 2013 @ 22:18:32
if your partner is under pension age october they will get uv credit and will have to pay just read it online the person will be forced to claim oap are not safe
Feb 04, 2013 @ 22:42:16
If I have a spare room how much would I ave to pay towards it am bit worried so I am thinking off askin the council to move into a bedroom place thanks
Feb 05, 2013 @ 10:22:41
If you are of working age and you have one ‘spare’ bedroom you will have to pay 14% of the rent.
Feb 05, 2013 @ 11:35:31
I have a spare room Sam, and i’ve been told it will be £11:48 a week, .. which is a huge chunk of my £71 a week jobseekers allowance. You may struggle to find a one bedroom property as they are in short supply. This is just one of the anomolies of this bedroom tax, .. even if you wanted to downsize, and couldn’t find a smaller property, you’d still be expected to pay the extra.
Feb 05, 2013 @ 19:19:54
get to the 38 degrees website and sign the petition to have the bedroom tax stopped and the wefare reform bill dropped.
also goto epetitions online and sign there too
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41600
Feb 05, 2013 @ 22:28:36
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/pensioners-hit-by-75m-bedroom-tax-this-year/
Feb 05, 2013 @ 22:51:03
What about overcrowded families in one bedroom popertys it’s not about the money it’s about filling the empty bedrooms so if possible to move or do an exchange a council house is no longer for life . i am a pensioner who has also paid a lot of rent in my lifetime
Feb 06, 2013 @ 14:49:13
mave, yes it is all about the money, the reason the bedroom tax has been introduced is to reduce the £20 billion housing benefit bill every year!!! if the government built 2 million houses every year from now on it still would not meet the social housing needs of this country…what about all the government owned empty properties that sit unused, if they were used then the social housing would be solved in months…
Feb 06, 2013 @ 10:54:01
I too am single in a 3 bed housing association house. I have been here for over 20 years now. Both my 2 children are grown and have since moved out. I am mainly house bound due to illness. My rent is in arreaers due to my ex husband not paying with my money before i made him leave, which leaves me in a no win situation. I cannot move, which i would be happy to do until I have paid off the £2,000 debt, they will not let me downsize because of this, but it would mean a lower rent helping me pay the debt off quicker. They will not even let me do a mutual exchange. I will not rent the rooms to strangers as I have been burgled twice after moving in and now have gotten to the stage where I feel safe again. I am only 46 therefore pension is not even in the picture for me. £14.27 per room per week would mean that along with reductions on benefits i would lose another £28 per week leaving me with just £42 a week for bills and to live on. I do not want to end up as a statistic in temp accomodation or a silly little bedsit. I have worked full time since i was 17 years old. This new housing scares the hell out me. I can only sit and wait to see what happens to wether I can keep my home or lose like thousands of others.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 15:26:11
i really don’t like the way the government have depicted us good council tenants as work shy lazy dole cheats, it is a million miles from reality, most of us are decent hard working people who just want to be left alone to get with life, instead we have been made scapegoats, to cloud over the truth of what really is going on…the government are not prepared to build the houses to ease the social housing crises, the will not free up the empty homes either, there are far easier ways of solving the social housing crises and of reducing the deficit than introducing a bedroom tax on already vulnerable people, a tax that is going to do so much damage to families and communities, a tax that has been proven can not work! it worries me that normal decent people believe the propaganda they see on tv and the in the press, it’s just a smoke screen people! to divide communities against each other, your too busy bitching about it all and getting the facts wrong to notice what the government really is up to, they spoon feed you propaganda and you lap it up like kiddies…
the fact is i have a choice, pay the money or take in a lodger, if i pay the money i face a future of going hungry and cold, if i don’t pay i might have to get in a lodger, HOW IS THIS GOING TO FREE UP MUCH NEEDED HOMES FOR FAMILIES…? it isn’t going to is it…?
can anyone tell me a valid point on how this tax is going to work…? PLEASE…
Feb 09, 2013 @ 13:33:15
I lost my private rented home 18 months ago. The landlord finall installed central heating and double glazing but raised the rent nearly double what I paid previously. My benefits didn’t cover it so I became homeless. A friend offered me lodgings so I accepted. 12 months later i got a letter asking how long I envisaged my situation continuing. I contacted my council for help in rehousing as the social appeared unhappy at where I was living. I was told I qualified for a one bedroom property, probably a flat, and would most likely have to leave York. I’ve lived in York for 53 years and am facing fairly severe ill health issues yet I am being pushed to move and isolate myself from family and friends. A truly caring society we have now, I don’t think. The Nazis were at least honest in their ethnic cleansing and persecution of the old, ill and disabled. A last twist of the knife, if a person gets benefits and takes in a lodger to help pay the bedroom tax, they’ll take the lodgers rent off your benefits.
Feb 09, 2013 @ 14:44:47
Sorry to hear that Dave. It only goes to show the stupidity of the coalition government in looking to private rent to overcome the shortage. Rents are much higher and it will drive the housing benefit bill up.Whether Council tenant or homeless they seem to think we can be pushed around from pillar to post. It’s the moern equivalent of the poor laws.
Feb 09, 2013 @ 16:04:02
I believe that that’s pretty much what the ConDems want. Us back in the dark ages. The roads and railways reduced to being the domain of the rich. People crowded into cheap and substandard housing because they have no choice. Working for subsistence wages. Dying again through poverty related illness. Closing hospitals so people live further away from emergency life saving care. Watch ‘World without End’ on TV because that’s where we are heading with this government. What makes it worse is, there are many worse off than I, yet we are impotent to do anything about it. All the harm done will stay because no incoming government will change it. Even then, what choices in parties do we have? They have all been as bad as each another.
Feb 09, 2013 @ 17:01:49
i am a dingle mum who hhas been working 40 hour weeks trying to build up my business which is at a loss i ook a second job on to pay bill as i have been putting my working tax money back into my business. i have a 3 bedroom house 3 doors away from where i was raised and that my mum live, i have been on the exchange list for a smaller house for years because of domestic abuse issues yet im still waiting . this bedroom tax may punish the people to give up their big home they dont need but wouldnt it be fair to just move people into homes of the right size and offer help with moving rather than ending up with pushing the working class who still claim housing benifit into poverty i want to move but someone give me a 2 bedroom house ive even looked down south so should me and my son be punished even though we have been through enough trauma in our lives thank you government snap on your people when they are trying to make something of themselves
Feb 09, 2013 @ 17:11:49
The thing is Kerryann the ‘right size’ is based on what is a flawed ‘bedroom standard’. It takes no account of the usual life cycle. What sense does it make to put a young couple in a one bed place when as soon as they have a child they will have to be moved into a 2 bed place (if one is available), and might have to move again if they have more kids. Then when they leave home the parents are ‘under-occupying’ and would have to be moved again. High levels of moving actually costs Councils money in ‘voids’ because they lose rent if the property needs work on it.
The BT is not really about ‘spare’ bedrooms but punishing people on benefit, trying to starve them into smaller homes or into work. I, like many people who pay full rent, am technically ‘under-occupying in a two bed house, but we don’t get stung because we are not in receipt of HB.
We need to challenge the ‘bedroom standard’. It’s a nonsense. There is no substitute for building new Council homes, that’s the way to deal with the shortage.
Feb 10, 2013 @ 22:57:05
I am in this terrible situation and it frightens me to death my health is not good I fear this will only make things worse then the NHS will pick up extra bills!! Also the government work out a set amount for us who are not benefit to live on, so if we pay the bedroom tax we are surely then classed as being on the poverty bread line!!!!! It sinks there must new a way form people to get a group together and fight. All our fathers, grandfathers fought in wars to make a better place what for. I have worked most of my life, the prospect of moving terrifies me.
Someone help us all.
Feb 11, 2013 @ 11:22:59
What town do you livee in Angel? Do you know about the Anti-Bedroom Tax website? You might be able to contactsomebody in your area on that?
Feb 11, 2013 @ 16:10:45
according to Lord Freud HA’S can re-define their properties,as most of the smallest bedrooms would measure less than 70sqft, which in the private sector is not classed as a bedroom but as a boxroom, so why should we have to pay tax on a bedroom that is not a bedroom
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/is-the-bedroom-tax-unlawful-yes-it-must-and-has-to-be/
“”"On Friday 7 December at Redhill Magistrates Court, Mr Mohammad Sarwar, Redhill, was convicted of breaching an overcrowding notice serviced on him under the Housing Act 2004.
Mr Sarwar is the landlord of 75 Knighton Road, Redhill, which is a house in multiple occupation (HMO) where rooms are individually let with access to a shared kitchen and bathroom. One room in the property, measuring 4.5 metres squared, was deemed too small for letting in 2007. However, on 28 March 2012, Environmental Health Officers found that the room was occupied.
I have emphasised the size above and of course the news release is wrong and must mean 4.5 square metres which is or could be 7 feet 5 inches by 6 feet 6 inches; whereas 4.5 metres squared is 14’9″ by 14’9″ which by any definition is a bedroom and quite a large one.
7 feet 5 by 6 feet 6 inches is in lay terms a boxroom and not a bedroom and as this news release says is ‘too small’ to be occupied.””
Feb 11, 2013 @ 16:19:15
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/pensioners-hit-by-75m-bedroom-tax-this-year/
quote from above link
“”I always though pensioners were exempt from the bedroom tax but this is apparently NOT the case. Unless the information I read has been changed since June 2012 and I can find no evidence that it has pensioners will be hit with a £75m per year bedroom tax.
In April it only needs one member of a couple to be a pensioner (in receipt of Pension or Pension Credit) to exempt the household from the bedroom tax. However under Universal Credit it needs BOTH partners to be in receipt of Pension or Pension Credit to be exempt from the bedroom tax”"”
Feb 11, 2013 @ 17:29:47
I used to live in Great Britain but I guess now it’s just England, Wales and Scotland and Northern ireland. The Great has gone forever. People around the world call it the UK (United Kingdom) I guess that’s gone too as we are so divided it is disgusting. If this doesn’t blow up in everyone’s faces, then that’s a miracle. Personally, I believe this will lead to anarchy being prevalent in England. Time I think will tell. An English man’s home is his castle? Where did we go so wrong? It tears my heart to read the desperation in these stories.
Feb 11, 2013 @ 19:17:04
i have a question to ask when i receive my statement of benefit from the job centre it very clearly states on it you are to receive £70.60 a week as from the 1st of April 2013 this is because how much the government legally say you need to live on so if im to pay bedroom tax at nearly £15 and may have to pay my own council tax without the 25% discount for being a single occupant which means nearly another £15 that means im left with £40.00 ish after paying £10 electric £6.50 tv licence leaves £23.50 then i got to buy food and pay for petrol for my car that the job centre want me to have to look for work also pay for phone line to make calls for jobs as part of my job seekers agreement and pay for broadband as part of my job seekers agreement then the question is surly at what point do i turn round and declare bankruptcy and move out the flat to live in the street as cant afford so called (charitable or affordable housing) ?
Feb 11, 2013 @ 19:20:42
Have a try for the Discretionary Housing Payment Gary. You may not get it but it’s worth a try.
Feb 11, 2013 @ 23:19:34
gary, when the government work out the benefit payment for the average person 40% of that is to cover things like debts etc, so they can legally cut anyones benefit by 40% i believe
Feb 12, 2013 @ 20:24:46
dave,i think the councils should stand up to the torys .who is going to hous;e the estimated three to four million comeing into britain more or less around the same date as that lovely new poll tax?
Feb 13, 2013 @ 17:26:18
According to the S326 housing Act 1985, if a bedroom is between 50-70sqft it should only house half a person, so why should I be charged full rate BT for my smallest room 68sqf, everyone affected by the bedroom tax should challenge their HA/Councils
Table2
http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docstores/publications_store/overcrowding%20excerpt.pdf
(4) The Secretary of State may by regulations prescribe the
manner in which the floor area of a room is to be ascertained
for the purposes of this section. In addition, the regulations
may provide for the exclusion from computation, or the
bringing into computation at a reduced figure, of floor space
in a part of the room that is of less than a specified height not
exceeding eight feet.
(5) Regulations under subsection (4) shall be made by statutory
instrument that shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of
a resolution of either House of Parliament.
(6) A certificate of the local housing authority stating the number
and floor areas of the rooms in a dwelling, and that the floor
areas have been ascertained in the prescribed manner, is
prima facie evidence for the purposes of legal proceedings of
the facts stated in it.
Feb 13, 2013 @ 17:52:00
Have you drawn this to the attention of your Council Pat?
Feb 14, 2013 @ 13:08:18
Hi Martin, i contacted my HA last year, when i found info re size of bedroom criteria, they told me it only applys to HMO, i was not aware of this S326 housing Act 1985, at the time, i am going to email them them today, will keep you updated, ps i also asked them last year if they would be freezing their rents, as i was told last year that i would have to pay at least £21.40 per wk BT, that amount was based on the rent for april2012/april2013, so if they increase their rents again from april2013 my bedroom tax payment will be higher than £21.40, my HA told me they will not be freezing their rents
Feb 14, 2013 @ 14:31:01
Cheers Pat.
Feb 13, 2013 @ 18:26:52
Dear mr cameron or who ever made up the stupid idea of bedroom tax… Why dont you get off your lazy government funded behind and look at the big picture . if you cut housing benifit for people that have an extra bedroom they will only move to another house which housing benifit will pay even more than the last with bedroom tax. so really the government is back to square one paying even more money out . why dont you learn? you go home to your steak and chips and others have to suffer. you are what is called a puppet. please feel free to email me idiot
Feb 13, 2013 @ 20:37:50
I’d like to add to the comments above. The problem started with the right to buy! I do not agree with this policy, it would of worked if the Thatcher government had allowed councils to build replacement homes with the money earned for selling off this old stock. But like most of her policies she did not think of the long term effects of such polices, Less home to rent meant less income and so the so called poll tax had to be increased and increased. Have people forgotten how many homes where repossessed under this the right to buy scheme? This is just another Tory quick fix without thinking it through. Instead of these quick fixes we need to build more social housing and not just homes to buy but social housing to rent, then councils would have more income from rents. This would have the effect of also kick starting the construction industry, creating more work which in turn gets people of benefits and the best part, would in turn kick start the economy. But because of a lack of suitable homes and over crowding in and around London the governments answer to this problem is to tax those that social housing was meant help. This is the Conservatives answer to all their problems, “TAX THE POOR” and protect the rich. If you think the bedroom tax is unjust then sign the petitions organize a march but I can tell you now, this is just the beginning, wait until the new Universal credit comes in to being.?. The only way to stop these attacks on our homes is to let your councilor know by not voting for him/her. I’m sorry if this is starting to sound like a Tory bashing but history has proved that they are a party for the well off minority of the populous and not a party for everyone. If you agree then we need to organize our efforts by joining the petitions and organizing protest marches. Remember this government was not elected, they have no mandate to make these changes but because we are fragmented they will win and continue to make all our lives a misery.
Feb 14, 2013 @ 15:58:16
‘Social landlords don’t have to collect the bedroom tax’
Current claims that the bedroom tax will increase the housing benefit bill by forcing under occupiers into the private sector are one dimensional. Social landlords do have choices on whether to pass on under occupancy charges. It’s a question of whether they do the maths and calculate the impact on their business and customers says Peter Hall, Managing Director of PHHS.
Lord Freud, the welfare reform minster, suggested last year that reclassifying property sizes for those to be hit by the bedroom tax may be an option some social landlords could consider. It was widely panned, but as Albert Einstein said: “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it”. The idea of reclassifying property sizes for those to be hit by the bedroom tax may seem absurd, but do the maths; think of the social and economic consequences for existing tenants and the areas they live in, and it becomes less absurd, and more of a rational response.
No phased roll out
When the housing benefit cap was introduced in the private sector last year, there was a grace period for existing tenants until their claim was reviewed, while new claimants faced the cap from the outset. The logical step would have been to follow suit in the social housing sector, but there is no such grace period for existing working age social housing tenants – other than the 12 months landlords have had to identify, inform, and work with the 670,000 households and individuals who will be affected from next April.
Yet we know there aren’t enough alternative 1 bed properties for the 400,000 of those who only qualify for them, and there are only 60,000 relets of existing 1 bed properties per year across the sector. Even if all 1 beds were only allocated to under occupiers ad infinitum from now on, some would wait for 7 years while being charged as much as £25 a week from an income of as little as £75 from next April . Add on council tax, utilities, other bills and existing debts, and it clearly becomes an impossible and unaffordable situation for many.
Impact in the North
We also know the impact will be worst in the North – hit by higher levels of underoccupation and by other benefit cuts already made or yet to be felt such as changes to ESA, tax credits, incapacity benefit and council tax. Recent estimates are that working age households will face an additional £4.50 per week in council tax, while across the North East, 50,000 under occupiers will need to pay an additional £30m p.a. in rent. The government’s Discretionary Housing Payments (DHP) funding currently stands at a possible £1.25m p.a.across the North East – leaving a shortfall of at least £28m in potential help for under occupiers. This won’t improve much even when the promised DHP increases kick in this April. Durham County Council has estimated the impact of welfare reform as a whole on the local economy in 2013 at £150m – worse in following years. That’s £150m less money going into local pockets, businesses and services when it already has the highest worklessness and the lowest job creation rates in the country.
Why make a bad situation worse?
The published draft HB regulations applicable from this April clarify proposals for landlords to define how many bedrooms a property has, and for local authorities to interpret that.
Landlords also have legislative and regulatory flexibility to charge lower rents. The target rent regime they all operate to defines a ‘maximum’ rent, while the HCA’s Value for Money regulatory standard expects all landlords to take ‘a view in the round of the optimum sustainable performance of all their assets – including for example financial, social and environmental returns – in the context of meeting their organisation’s purpose and objective’s’.
In line with those requirements there is clearly scope to review whether full rents for under occupiers from next April is a sustainable option delivering social returns which meet organisations purpose and objectives. And let’s face it, the differential between rents for 1 bed and 3 bed properties are fairly marginal across the sector – probably less than the £14 per bedroom which is intended to be deducted from tenant’s benefits.
Some landlords will be in a better position than others to consider this. The housing association sector as whole recorded a surplus of £1.1bn last year (c.f. the estimated £480m of extra payments to be collected from under occupiers), but there are widespread variations in ‘profitability’ and capacity to do something different which PHHS highlighted in December last year. Loan covenants and self financing assumptions for councils may also prevent some from even considering it – together with fears surrounding further loss of income from Universal Credit and Direct Payments.
The bean counters in the sector state that reclassifying property on a significant scale will affect loan covenants and valuations. It would if it was long term and significant, but temporarily changing the tenancy agreement to state a smaller number of bedrooms and charging a lower rent isn’t going to affect the long term existing use or open market valuation of a property. There are lots of everyday examples where this already happens – e.g. decanting tenants and charging differential rents for secure and protected tenants in their portfolios.
Some tenants will also undoubtedly pay their additional bedroom tax contributions. A Wirral partnership Homes survey last year suggested that as many as 50% will. But many won’t or won’t be able to as we’ve seen in recent press coverage , leaving landlords in a difficult predicament. Take them to court for non payment, or write off the arrears on a case by case basis? A significant increase in court cases will lead to an impasse for the court system, and how will judges interpret compliance with the Civil Procedure Rules when there are no alternatives other than homelessness for some long standing tenants who have previously paid their rent?
Do the maths
Landlords need to start doing the maths – at least for year one of the changes. The average extra cost per under occupying tenant will be £676 per year based on an average of £14 per week additional payments. Once the extent of under occupation is known (and many haven’t got that far yet) , they should work out the potential loss of income from non payment , versus the additional staff time and costs in collecting rents, enforcing non payment, incentivising downsizing (costing some up to £10,000) and supporting tenants through the options etc. If the additional costs are more than the average of £676 per affected property, landlords should think rationally about the alternatives.
For some, temporarily reclassifying property sizes will be a rational business decision which will also have direct positive social and economic impacts for affected tenants and their wider communities – putting money back into customers and community’s hands. Liverpool Mutual Homes was the first of what may be many to do so – planning to pay the bedroom tax for under occupying tenants who complete training programmes or voluntary activities on its estates on a something for something basis.
At its simplest and most transparent, reclassification could be on a universal time limited and conditional basis for those affected – giving breathing space for landlords and tenants to work through alternatives such as downsizing, taking in lodgers ,finding or undertaking additional hours work. In the North, with 20% turnover of tenancies a year common in a lot of areas, a normal position could be reached by year 5. At the very least, reclassification could be income based: for example, based on the individual contributions which may be required as a % of income and what is affordable.
Objectives, purpose and values?
Whatever individual social landlord’s objectives, purpose and values are, they should think twice about whether any existing investment plans for new homes, improving stock or ‘social value’ activities will deliver more benefits for the local economy than what will be taken out via the bedroom tax.
Last year’s NHF ‘Building Futures’ report identifies £500m per year spent across the sector on investing in communities – helping people manage their money and get out of debt, job skills classes, youth enterprise projects, apprenticeships and skills training programmes etc. That’s roughly the same amount that will be taken out of existing tenants pockets nationally via the bedroom tax. The recent trend of ‘social value’ reports identifying how much landlords contribute to their local economy may also be of use to someone, but pale in significance compared to the direct economic and social impact putting money back into tenant’s pockets and local communities will deliver particularly in the North.
Loan covenant and business plan assumptions may also not be breached if any loss in income through reclassification is matched by reduced expenditure or operating costs elsewhere to compensate for it – ideally prioritised with all tenants in the spirit of the value for money standard.
Social and economic black hole or new dawn?
Under occupation charges could be a black hole or a new dawn for both tenants and social landlords. The social impact is becoming clear from recent press coverage. Evaluating whether under occupation charges are passed on is a rational response to an ill thought through big bang policy change. While the principle of reducing rents may seem like an anathema to many, so did developing without grant until recently. It may seem absurd, but as Albert Einstein also said, doing the same things in the same way and expecting different results were his definition of insanity.
http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2013-02-14-Opinion-Social-landlords-don-t-have-to-collect-the-bedroom-tax
Feb 14, 2013 @ 18:02:38
makes interesting reading, the more i find out about the bedroom tax the more i realise how idiotic it is, there are far easier ways of reforming social housing, ones that everyone can embrace, enjoy and understand fully and that are fair across the board…
Feb 14, 2013 @ 19:17:56
Bedroom Tax does affect pensioners from April 2013! Oh what a tangled WEBB we weave Minister
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/bedroom-tax-does-affect-pensioners-from-april-2013-oh-what-a-tangled-webb-we-weave-minister
Feb 14, 2013 @ 19:24:19
It affects those on Universal Credit where currently one person is of retirement age, but under UC you will both have to be of retirement age to avoid having to pay it. But they are trialling UC in some areas to begin with.
Feb 14, 2013 @ 19:24:20
It affects those on Universal Credit where currently one person is of retirement age, but under UC you will both have to be of retirement age to avoid having to pay it. But they are trialling UC in some areas to begin with.
Feb 14, 2013 @ 23:58:10
This is one big crime making people lose there homes or pay more tax on bedrooms Why not cut down on the footballplayers wages allthe do is fight and spit on the field Do we really need the oylpics why not build more homes all this awards they give out all cost moeny sure these poor people could not care less also all these people in high places give your self a pay cut Why do you need people to drive you around to many cuts in the wrong place-
give ordenery people a chance the ones that have worked for there money
Feb 15, 2013 @ 18:12:49
Tenants avoid bedroom tax after Knowsley reclassifies homes
15/02/2013
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenancies/tenants-avoid-bedroom-tax-after-knowsley-reclassifies-homes/6525752.article#commentsubmitted
also covered on this link
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/
Feb 16, 2013 @ 18:31:31
Bedroom Tax – significant new developments and challenges emerge
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/bedroom-tax-significant-new-developments-and-challenges-emerge/
Feb 16, 2013 @ 21:41:35
http://www.causes.com/actions/1712819-stop-the-vacant-bedroom-charges
109,725 have signed it already signed please add your name also
Feb 16, 2013 @ 23:21:54
Tried to sign but will not let me!
Feb 17, 2013 @ 10:17:31
IDS just lied his way through the Sunday politics show , he was asked if pensioners will be affected by the BT, the lying f**ker said NO, why will he not tell the truth and say YES, they will be affected if they have a working age partner
The rules are laid out in a document drawn up last year.
It was prepared by the Chartered Institute for Housing and called ‘Making It Fit’.
Under the Older Claimants section it says pensioners will be exempt.
The document confirms: “People who have already reached state pension credit age by April 2013 will not be subject to the size criteria.
“A couple are not subject to size criteria where the eldest member has attained state pension credit age, even if the younger member is still of working age.”
But it reveals things will change in October. And it says new claimants in a mixed-age household will be hit – bringing 67,000 households in range of the tax.
The document adds: “When Universal Credit is introduced in October 2013, it is likely, for new claimants, both will be treated as working age and subject to size criteria until they have both reached qualifying age for state pension.”
Research carried out by the Chartered Institute of Housing shows 67,000 mixed-age households on housing benefit in the UK
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pensioners-will-suffer-bedroom-tax-1713692
Feb 17, 2013 @ 10:42:31
OOP’S not sunday politics it was the andrew marr show
Feb 20, 2013 @ 23:26:56
does anyone know a relative of Guy Fawks,could really do with their help right now.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 11:41:27
I live in York. Have you got an address Del? I’ll call round straight away! See if they’re busy!
Feb 22, 2013 @ 11:14:24
No age discrimination at all!! Why should you have 1 or more extra bedrooms that are not being used when there’s people that are having to sleep in the front room were there’s not enough bedrooms! Who cares that u paid your rent on time. So do I but I’m still having to sleep in the front room in an upstairs flat with a baby and a young child.
Feb 22, 2013 @ 13:20:16
Joanne you are falling for the government’s propaganda. The BT doesn’t apply to pensioners and people who pay their full rent. Two thirds of homes with ‘spare’ bedrooms are not affected by the legislation. Moreover, it affects families with children in a preposterous fashion. Consider a single parent with 2 children living in a 3 bedroom house. To avoid paying the BT they would have to downsize to a 2 bed. Then when one child reaches 16 (if they are the same sex) they would have to move back to a 3 bed place. When the first child leaves home they would have to move back into a 2 bed house. When both are gone the parent would have to move into a 1 bed property. Do you think this is sensible or fair?
The fact is there aren’t enough small properties to move people into. In Swindon there are more than 5,000 households that ‘qualify’ for a 1 bed property. At the current rate of lets annually, it would take more than 50 years to accommodate all these people. It would take more than six years to move all those suffering the bedroom tax, into 1 bed properties, but only if nobody on the waiting list but given a place. In other words the BT will worsen the situation of those on the list!
You problem and that of others will only be addressed if there is a new Council house building programme on a sufficient scale to start putting the waiting list (1.8 million families) into reverse.
Feb 26, 2013 @ 21:54:36
Please note that my comments are not aimed at everyone. Many people like myself will be able to adjust to the Universal payment and cope well, but many will not.
The Universal payment is going to cause so much suffering to children. At the moment where housing benefit goes strait to the landlords the parents of children do not have to think about rent. But what ‘some’ do think about is ‘pay day’. Many people have gas and electric cards and also pay as you go mobile phones. Sadly they often put cigarettes, alcohol and their phone before anything else. What ever is left goes on food and other essenstials.( Well I like to think so).
At the moment many who get their money every 2 weeks are broke in the 2nd week and have nothing. But when they are given their monthly money that includes their rent, they will spend it on more cigarettes and alcholol and the kids will be the ones at the end of the day to suffer.
Many people on benefits do not know how to handle money and are set in a routine of their own and often spending their benefit as soon as they get it. But when the Universdal Credit come in 3 weeks is a long time to wait on thin air.
Many people will get into arrears with rent very very quickly and as much as they try they will never be able to get out of the arrears.
Some families will not cope with the Universal payment and no matter how they try they will still end up broke and desperate for food etc because they are so used to getting it every 2 weeks.
The Government are not really aware of how many people have no understanding of money and how to budget. It going to be the kids who suffer and yet they are the innocent ones.
But I stress there are those who will cope well and my comments are not meant to offend. I know myself how tough life can be, but thankfully my kids have all over 18.
Feb 27, 2013 @ 19:40:55
Y right lot of people r going 2 suffer…but this gov couldn’t care less as long as they r nice & warm & cosy in there homes + second homes gettin all there expensive’s paid… Never ever thought things would come 2 this …. Guess there will be a lot of people on the street in a few months … How can the gov do this when they know fine well there is no smaller houses ect …. It’s the most evil disgusting thing a gov has ever done !
Feb 27, 2013 @ 21:54:13
lets all vote next time now we have seen that they let just any c**t do the job
Feb 27, 2013 @ 22:47:13
Unfortunately, next time will be to late. Look at how much damage they’ve done thus far. By the time of the next election can you imagine how much damage will be done. The next lot won’t be able to undo the bedroom tax because it will cost to much. We need action now. It’s time to stop writing about how bad things are and take to the streets. Sorry if I seem angry, I am. I lived through the Thatcher years and never dreamed it could ever be worse.
Mar 07, 2013 @ 21:54:49
im sorry but a dont agree the goverment have finally woken up, generations are doing what so many others do, claiming benefits for a easy ride so its a evil rollercoaster and finally it will stop, its time to teach the next generation you get out of life what you put in, financial aid from the goverment should only be used for people who really need it on medical grounds,and people who have paid ni and taxes for years that get laid off, you should get what you put in and if parents are buying cigs and alcohol before bills and food why the hell do they have kids!!
Mar 08, 2013 @ 11:50:09
And what about those people who hve ‘put in’ Lou? Do you really think that most people on benefit are ‘scroungers’? There are nearly a million people on HB who are in work. Two thirds of those households affected by the BT have a disabled person in them. The BT catches those who have paid in and get caught by redundancy or ill-health. I think the bankers have done more damage than a few skivers, don’t you?
Mar 12, 2013 @ 10:54:16
I get help with my HB and I am quite confused as to whether I will have to pay the extra Bedroom tax next year when my oldest goes to uni. I have read that I would still be entitled to the bedroom for him if he plans to come home in i.e the holidays,but I phoned my local council help line up and they said that I would more than likely not be entitled to a bedroom for him! Could anyone clarify this as the helpline person said that he was just as ‘in the dark’ as me!
Mar 12, 2013 @ 18:29:12
Well just heard they have changed some of the rules 4 some people so maybe u will escape … But don’t think it’s fair on anyone havin 2 pay this extra money 4 spare bedrooms …it will be impossible 4 me 2 pay an extra £100 a month …I am earnin £35 a week at the moment out of that I have 2 pay £10.50 expences so where r we goin 2 find that kind of money is this gov living on this planet ????
Mar 08, 2013 @ 16:53:04
well i’m one of those who have put in years and years of hard graft, working in poor conditions with no proper regard to health and safety for years, to the detriment of my own health. it astonishes me that people actually believe there are hundreds of thousands of scroungers out there, it’s just not true, there are far far more tax dodgers and white collar criminals out there than people coining benefits, you need to turn off your television sets, put down those tabloids and stop believing government propaganda, it’s the GOVERNMENTS fault and previous governments fault for not building enough social housing, it’s also their fault for allowing irregular trading of shares so people could get into massive debts, it’s also their fault for breeding resentment and dividing people by blaming the poor and vulnerable through mass media coverage, you can’t blame people for having children, it happens, how many children do you know that are planned, love isn’t like that i’m afraid, i resent being labeled a scrounger who spends all my benefit on booze and fags, the reality is it’s just not true…
Mar 08, 2013 @ 23:37:33
When I was younger (During the Thatcher years) when jobs where scarce, I worked my hardest to make ends meet, I often worked 16 hrs and in some instances worked 2 jobs. I had just started a new job with a large company working for a lot less than the others in the same position, when I was diagnosed with kidney disease which put me in and out of hospital all the time. And because of this I had to give up work meaning I had to rely on benefits. Now I’m classed as a scrounger. I think you will find there are very few scroungers out there, unfortunately there are a few but don’t treat everyone the same, don’t believe the what the media tells you, open your eyes, Henry is right, since the introduction of the right to buy, no where near the amount of social housing was built to replace them, instead,our lands were sold off to allow private companies to build more homes for sale, instead of the low cost social housing that is still needed. Have you forgotten about all those families that had their homes repossessed after buying their council homes? All those fractured families. And last but not least, what about all those homes across the country that are boarded up and left to become derelict? Now instead of of putting the millions of pounds set aside for discretionary housing payments and giving India all those millions to build them homes, they should of put that money into doing up all those homes and start building more Social houses because more people rent their homes than buy. Instead all of you that believe those of us on benefits are at fault for this debacle wake up and stop believing everything you read in the Liberal media & in particular don’t believe what the government tells you..
This government has increased the national debt despite their austerity measures.
One last thought, there are about 63 million people living in this country, I could cure the benefits situation in a heart beat. Imagine if you would, the government paid all of those people 1 million pound, a one off payment costing the government 63 million. How many people would need benefits then? You could live off the interest alone. Just a thought in case I ever started a political party and decided to run for President, How many votes do you recon I’d get with a campaign promise like that? lol.
Mar 09, 2013 @ 07:39:42
The system was designed for us to benefit from our National Insurance and taxes- or the prospect of paying those contributions; it is incumbent on government to supply the means to pay those contributions by supplying jobs, not destroying industries as happened in the 1980’s.
The system is also not really self-financing, which is why some pay- or should pay- more according to their ability to pay. It is expected that some will need more than others- so some will pay more than others and receive less than others. It is or should be an altruistic system into which one pays in the hope you will mnot need it, but that it will be there if you do.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 01:52:05
Rita,I agree with you wholeheartedly…For some, it will be like having a small lottery win..There are thousands upon thousands and with all due respect,who will NOT have a clue how to budget their money…The legacy of both the Labour and Conservative governments..There will be anarchy!
Broken Britain….A wasteland of forgotton people.
Feb 28, 2013 @ 00:19:09
After doing some careful accounting, I will have £0.00 left per week, Come 1st April (no this is not an April fools joke) I will have to turn my gas off, this will be ok during the summer months but winter is something else.
Mar 08, 2013 @ 17:03:39
i will have nothing at all left at the end of the month, in fact i’m sure i can’t afford to survive, it’s no joke, even if i did downsize, both will see me in deep troubles, i just had to beg to pay my gas bill, i only heat one room and i cook on gas and shower every other day, my biggest worry is i can not afford to attend my hospital appointments in the future, i have to travel to a specialist hospital and it costs what i don’t have, i’m very worried…
Mar 09, 2013 @ 10:32:52
There is a lot of people Henry that’s goin 2 have no money at all 2 pay 4 gas / elec it’s just impossible 2 pay this B/T .. I’m workin part time I will not have enough 2 pay out 4 food , heatin , petrol 4 my car & I need my car the job I am in some weeks I don’t have any hrs … I guess we will all end up starving ….cold …then the gov will be happy hope they will pay 4 my ‘our’ funerals because I we won’t have a penny left . I feel sick every day thinking how this is possible how can anyone do this … God u read about hitla but this gov (Camron ) is not much better what an evil man ( we r all in it together what a laugh ) …….
Feb 28, 2013 @ 02:38:13
http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2013/02/how-every-mp-voted-in-tonights.html
Feb 28, 2013 @ 20:41:55
over 1200 people turned out in bootle to protest against the bedroom tax
http://www.demotix.com/news/1834285/bedroom-tax-demonstration-bootle-merseyside#media-1834263
Mar 01, 2013 @ 16:20:59
Hundreds join Liverpool bedroom tax protest
The protest is the biggest demonstration so far against the bedroom tax, under which social housing tenants of working age are deducted housing benefit if they have spare rooms. Left-wing thinktank Labour Left is organising a day of action on 16 March and is hoping to arrange demonstrations in 16 cities across Great Britain.
Something to check out next wk , read end of article
“”See next week’s Inside Housing for an analysis of the bedroom tax protests and what they could mean for social landlords.”"”
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenancies/hundreds-join-liverpool-bedroom-tax-protest/6525974.article
Mar 01, 2013 @ 23:05:50
this story is simlar to what i faced in 2006 after loseing my husband to cancer haveing been a carer for a few years.i was two years of pension age.all the money we had coming in was my husbands pension disability and carers so on top of loseing my husband i had nothing to live on yet had same bills.i had £80 a week for a year so gave up my house and went to work at butlins for a while.it was a nightmare surviving till i had my pension.i really feel for sheila.
Mar 02, 2013 @ 11:00:55
phil nunn
Mar 01, 2013 @ 23:58:42
im a 43 yrd old disabled man i cant work and up until recently i got full council tax and rent allowance. now they are saying i have to pay a percentage of both because im single and i have 1 too many bedrooms. i took this bungalow because it was the only option available except a 1 bedroom house which is unsuitable for me as im confined to a wheelchair. i dont want to leave the village i live in because ive lived here sincer i was six and my whole life is here ie my family and friends and not to mention my support network. this situation is completely unfair and im at my wits end
Phil
I reckon you can build a good case for a discretionary payment to cover the shortfall. Speak to your local CAB, if you can actually get to talk to someone nowaday’s and ask for their help. If you get no help from them try a disability group. A letter from your Doctor would help to support it.
Mar 06, 2013 @ 22:09:06
I am a bolsolver district council tennant my husband is disabled and we have approched the council about moving into a single bedroom bungalow, i am happy to move out of my 3 bedroom property as my family have all grown and flown the nest, but we have been told that we cannot get a bungalow until my husband has turned 50 in 2 years time, this is crazy surely if they want 3 bedroom houses they could change the ages for bungalows.
Mar 07, 2013 @ 10:17:51
a tax is what someone pays to the government, a benefit is something one receives..a benefit reduction just means one receives less…whilst on the subject can you explain why Housing Benefit claimants in private rented sector can’t have a spare room but it’s ok for council tenants?
Mar 07, 2013 @ 15:09:30
Yes it’s a cut in HB. The ‘bedroom standard’ on which the ‘bedroom tax’ is based (or the ‘under-occupation’ rules, if you prefer) is stupid, It takes no ac count of real life. A couple with 2 children would have to move homes 4 times. What is a ‘spare’ room one day, isn’t the next, depending on the age of your children. Of course, given the shortage of homes, people will be unable to move about like this, so even if they have asked for a move and there isn’t one available, they will still have to pay.
Are you in favour of people having to pay, when there is somebody sleeping in the ‘spare’ room because of disability or medical reasons? Are you in favour of foster parents having to pay for a ‘spare’ room, even though a foster child is sleeping in it?
The government is happy to impoverish poor people, yet at the same time they are desperate to stop action against bankers’ bonuses. This shows where their priorities lie.
Mar 11, 2013 @ 19:04:16
Excellent article by Joe Halewood, everyone affected by the bedroom tax needs to read this,
If every tenant appeals the bedroom tax will go – Direct action is needed
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/if-ever-tenant-appeals-the-bedroom-tax-will-go-direct-action-is-needed/
Mar 15, 2013 @ 21:17:39
I hope not!
If the UK ends up bankrupt, what will all the people grumbling about a reduction in the free money they receive from the government do?
They will receive no free money at all!
Mar 16, 2013 @ 15:43:48
UK bankrupt? So you are saying that those reliant on benefits, working and none-working should be penalised for the failings of banks and governments, those who by definition cannot afford to lose any more money while £21 Trillion- yes, TRILLION sits idling in offshore accounts, earned in the UK yet not paying UK taxes? I know who I believe should pay; I know the reason for the failing economy- and in isn’t the few billion pounds at most that might be saved (if the admin and other ancillary costs do not outweigh the savings), it is the billions of pounds going to offshore accounts, with the sanction of the government and the trillions already there.
Mar 16, 2013 @ 20:38:31
Sample letter for us all to use to appeal against housing benefit reduction re bedroom tax by Joe Halewood
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/an-example-of-a-standard-letter-to-challenge-the-bedroom-tax-hb-decision/
Dear Sirs,
I received your decision letter dated INSERT DATE and referenced above that imposed an under occupation charge, or bedroom tax of 14% / 25% (delete as appropriate) on my existing award of Housing Benefit.
I consider this unwarranted yet in order to challenge this in the correct way and potentially by way of formal appeal I require further information to be sent to me within 7 days of this letter and the urgency of that is to ensure I have enough time to formulate any such appeal and in full knowledge of the facts of my case within the time allowed; OR in the alternative I request the deadline for any such formal appeal be moved to 21 days after I receive the request information below:
1. A written copy of the Council’s policy and decision-making procedures in relation to referring a socially housed claimant decision to the Rent Officer Service.
2. A full explanation of how the council decided that (INSERT ADDRESS) was determined to be a 3 bed property for the under occupation charge and this to include what involvement if any of my landlord, (INSERT LANDLORD NAME) in this process.
Please state by way of covering letter with the requested information any changed deadline date from above with regard to a formal appeal.
Yours etc
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
We all need to appeal once we receive our formal letters
Mar 23, 2013 @ 10:38:59
ok, the bedroom tax starts in about a weeks time, my council has just increased my rent by 10%, i have to find this tax and 8% of my council tax, i have no money at all! there are still loads of things i don’t understand, i need a full explanation of the rules! if i take in a lodger do i just charge that person the shortfall? will i get into trouble if i only charge the lodger the extra amount the government want? will having a lodger who works full time mean i have to charge them full rent? my council did have a meeting to discuss this but i was too ill to attend, where do i find out this information? i have tried talking to my council but they seem to have less idea than me…
Mar 23, 2013 @ 15:13:32
https://www.facebook.com/?r=1300000#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ Have you seen our group? Lots of info and advice ………….
Mar 30, 2013 @ 15:26:04
i’ve had my official bills in this week, my weekly rent will now be £21.32 per week and my council tax £17.00, i have to find an extra £33.00 per week!!!!!!!! i thought it was going to be £20.00 at the very most, i just don’t have it…
Mar 31, 2013 @ 00:18:10
as of next week i will have to pay £38 from my benefits towards rent and council tax, i’m so worried, i can’t afford that, for those on £71 a week it will be impossible to survive…
Apr 01, 2013 @ 06:39:57
Iv bin in my home for ova 18yrs like shelia am down it makes sence 2 me i cudt even say if we av 1 bed flats SHOOK HORROW the few i new bout woz turned in to 4 / 5 beds a bout 4yr ago ! Im extra worried coz theyr trying get ova £650 arrears from 1999 its neva gone down its there mistake iv try’d 2 challage it but no joy afta a baylif rang me 2000/01 its not bin mentiond till the social lost sum my paperwork , Hows that my failt that amount is i coz i cudt say a date my son 18 woz living ! Even though my son offerd 2 ring or go in his dad paid tax that same year i didt want any hassle asking my X for is new address They made me take a letter in n sign it there , If neva the normal people that any kinda help the people that earn a cushy wage THEY WONT MISS UP 2 £50 they prop giv it the kids as pocket ,sumthing so nasty is guna appen n the mp’s witch most we dont need, then the police wil get slatted its not round that twit i cant see runing the work ova U.K chase the dam banks free up money n i mean not all staf just the IDIOTS that think they got it hard them in there grands suit on He still luks a BLEEP lol yeah i get wound up ha ha P.S that doc that got sum ladys BOOBS done He shud pay that BILL wot did he get of am thinking , i cant av pain injections wen i need them Then mps wanna live on a benefit the whole family BING FILMED
Apr 08, 2013 @ 01:39:47
You ok Missjayne?
May 28, 2013 @ 12:49:58
Juliett thank q it woz nice of you to ask am i ok im so confused afta reading a booket bout wot n how bing in a c-tax band a bracket n band b they will be classed as both bing band A lol iv just sin JULIE M’s comments soz but yeah people will lose the roofs as iv got an balifits eviction notice on 23rd may Iv got till the 13th june I WIV MY BELONGS NEED 2 BE OUT !!!
Apr 01, 2013 @ 11:48:42
I’m sorry but this IS ‘social housing’ at the end of the day. It needs to provide suitable homes for those who need it most. Unless a person has severe disability where spare bedroom is absolutely necessary, or the person is very old etc., I think the bedroom tax IS fair. There are LOTS of people who have families where they have say teenagers & younger children sharing a room. Do you think its right or fair for a teenage boy to be sharing his room with his 2 year old sister and keep it that way until he’s almost an adult, ready to move out!!! I think NOT!
May I also add a lot of people are saying that they are being ‘kicked out’ of their homes and there aren’t enough 1 or 2 bedroom properties available – RUBBISH!!! People are just being too fussy – only wanting to move to a houses or EOT properties, or only if it has a large garden and so on and so on… they are not prepared to look at all the other options out there!
There are loads of websites where people can exchange their properties for a larger or small place AND within their current areas you just have to be prepared to compromise which may mean looking at downsizing to a flat.
Why not look on websites such as ‘house exchange’ & ‘home Swapper’ People need to start looking in to all of these options instead of just complaining that the can find any suitable properties.
Apr 01, 2013 @ 17:38:22
This is just full of generalisations. The fact is, and the government’s DWP admits this, there are not enough one bed properties for all the people who ‘need’ them, according to the ‘bedroom standard’. In Swindon it would take more than 6 years to accommodate existing tenants who only ‘qualify’ for one bed, but only if those on the waiting list were not given any properties. They will have to wait longer as a result. Why should somebody who is 60 have to downaise when somebody who is retired does not have to?
Apr 02, 2013 @ 06:04:19
I do NOT live in social housing; this is just a new spin. I live in a council house, built post war as homes for all. Point your accusing finger at the people who caused the problem- succesive councils and governments that refused to build decent homes for rent and sold off the ones they already had.
Apr 02, 2013 @ 10:02:18
so how does this interest you then julie huh? i shared a room in social housing until i was an adult, it didn’t trouble me too much, if you don’t believe what people are saying why don’t you call your local council and ask them to downsize and see the reply you get! yes there are people out there living in homes that are too big for their needs, i think we can all agree on that issue, what is wrong with this situation is that the bedroom tax(poll tax) if forcing people out of their homes in a very bad way, it’s forcing people into debt, it’s not about lack of homes for the government, if it was they could use the empty homes policy and over night there would be enough homes for people, it’s about paying off the governments debts, if the government was so worried about lack of good sized homes then why have they just up the right to buy discount to £100k!?! the government has enough empty property sitting there doing nothing, enough to home one million families, just sitting there empty!
Apr 02, 2013 @ 16:15:10
also julie m, how is this going to help free up homes for people who need them? do you honestly think people will just give up their homes they cherish so much, a spare room means so much to me, it enables my friends and family to stay with me and give me some much needed help, i could of rented it out years ago if i wanted but i don’t want to cos i need it!
May 28, 2013 @ 12:36:19
JULIE im in oldham i think people are moaning coz they wud swap in heartbeat BUT that in my area isnt like it use to be IF people wana house exchange it cums at a cost witch most cant afford so its a no win situation ,i cudt afford any gas 2wks i went wiv out 5 days wiv out electic i didt eat for 3 days all i ad woz 2weekabix each day ! i wudt be garanteed a swap as im in arrears so i pay a tenency exchange fee then im told no till i pay arrears wud you in my situation still house exchange ?
Apr 03, 2013 @ 06:54:18
There’s an old saying “You can’t beat the system, but you can play it at it’s own game”
Bed Room Tax is not rent therefore you could withhold payment as a protest and not be evicted from your home as it’s not legally rent.
Look for the loopholes
Apr 03, 2013 @ 23:09:39
The bedroom tax has kicked in this week and I have not paid it and have no intention of paying it.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 01:35:28
Keep strong Sandra XXX
Apr 08, 2013 @ 22:01:00
Thank you Juliette, I am keeping strong and to my word and not paying this tax. I hope others who have made this decision remain strong too, good luck all!!
Apr 04, 2013 @ 06:32:22
Have people just given up and let this happen ? What happened to the fighting talk…..
Moaning won’t stop this, others won’t stop this.. Stand up be counted, organise, fight back…
Apr 04, 2013 @ 17:27:06
It’s a different fight this time, instead of just us against them, it’s us against those who live in over populated homes, those who think we are all benefit scroungers, it’s mainstream society not backing those on the fringes, those same people will more than likely need the very same support as we are having taken away one day, twenty years ago most people would have agreed that i am entitled to a spare room because of my health, visiting friends and family isn’t easy, so they come to me, i don’t sleep well because of my health and sharing a bed is a tried and tested failure, another reason why i need a spare room, there really shouldn’t be a problem in me being able to find an affordable two bedroom place, society’s thinking has changed now, what was once seen as fair is now betrayed as scrounging and bleeding the system dry, we live in an ever increasing, over populated system, people are desperate for a solution to their needs, so need over takes morals, it is morally wrong to disrupt peoples lives like this, it really is, yet again morals fly out the window when the press give us decent folk a battering for being scroungers and the scapegoat for all societies problems, i don’t have a string vest, i don’t own a pitbull type dog, i don’t spend all my benefits on booze, i don’t have sky tv. This is what is wrong with people and this is why there seems to be no fight, communities have broken down, people against people…
Apr 04, 2013 @ 21:54:11
This is how they manage to get support for these cuts in benefits. They pray on the prejudices of those who feel that anyone on benefits is taking money from their hard earned wages. The mainstream media, many of which are friends of the Tory government are happy to exploit this. I feel sorry for those who are stuck in inadequate accommodations but this tax will not give them the instant homes they are looking for. Only building new social housing will get to the root of overcrowding. Building new homes for people to buy will not as not everyone can afford to buy their own home even with the discount. The right to buy would’ve worked if those councils had been allowed to replace the stock with new homes. I have never agreed with selling off council stock unless they built new ones to replace them. The more social homes there are the more rent they can take in and the lower your council tax would be.
Apr 05, 2013 @ 02:14:07
There are people demonstrating look it up on YouTube. (mass demonstrations). The media has a blackout on it, so many don’t know what’s happening.
The government pulled this on Easter week for a reason. Trust me the sparks of the fire has only just begun.
Secure tenants re look at your tenancy you signed, it states as long as you pay your rent then you keep your home.. (your home). Nothing about tax and eviction…
Apr 06, 2013 @ 07:09:29
Who remembers the Margaret Thatcher quote;
“No one would remember the good Samaritan if he’d only had good intentions – he had money too.”
Thatcher sold of council housing thinking that she was helping the poor to get rich….. what does she think now?
Just look at what has become of the poor of today. Not enough social housing for the poor and food banks for mums and dads who hope they might get some food to feed their kids!
Thatchers old now , but I wonder if she would say sorry to the poor of today about what she has caused. I doubt it, as she has no comprehension of having no food, no electric, no gas and no idea if the rent can be paid on time, if it can be paid at all.
My own house was repossed in her Thatcher era. She had double standards. Many if not all tories tend to have double standards. Thousands and thousands of peoples homes were repossed.
It’s a very lonely life to be helpless, lonely and hungry all because the bedroom tax is now taking what little you had to live on. But for many moving would tip our emotions over the edge. It would mine.
The poor get poorer, the rich get richer and the country is no longer a home for the true british people.
Apr 06, 2013 @ 16:14:57
@Max Apr 03, 2013 @ 06:54:18 There is no such thing as bedroom tax. But there is such a thing as a reduction in benefits.
Your rent is your rent – you are just not receiving as much benefit to pay towards your rent.
Apr 06, 2013 @ 16:24:59
‘Just’? Just a little amount including the CT of over 30% for some people on JSA.
Apr 07, 2013 @ 06:20:16
Jean, while you are technically correct, for the vast majority, it is a HUGE reduction in their benefit. I recieve £71 a week JSA, the law states that is the MINIMUM I am expected to live on, with this under occupancy act, I am now expected to live on £55, .. and this is to pay my weekly food,electric, gas, water bill, and numerous other basic essentials.. i found it hard enough on £71, ..every penny was spent wisely, .. this has had a massive crippling effect on my already meagre finances.. to all intense and purposes, it IS a tax on the poor.. i can personally vouch for that.
Apr 07, 2013 @ 16:02:38
I totally disagree with this benefit cut,how can they call it bedroom tax?,This system is not even fair , why dont they just state its a cut in benefit and make everyone pay the same amount , of so much a week and a lesser payment , even though i am against this cut there has to be a compromise somewhere, as we are all at each others throat, and all suffering from this farce, and living on the breadline
Apr 07, 2013 @ 18:27:22
It wasn’t made across the board for several reasons; you can’t cut benefits from those that do not receive them, so a rent increase would have been the only option- but rents go to local authorities and HA’s, not government.
To have reduced benefits across the board, under-occupied or not would have united all social housing tenants in receipt of benefit; this way they divide and rule- those under-occupied v those overcrowded.
Apr 07, 2013 @ 17:39:24
“a thing as a reduction in benefits. Your rent is your rent – you are just not receiving as much benefit to pay towards your rent.” So, it’s not a reduction in benefits- you’re just not receiving as much? Let me think over that little pearl of wisdom…
According to Black’s Law Dictionary, a tax is a “pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property owners to support the government [...]; BT seems to fit the bill admirably.
Apr 07, 2013 @ 19:12:50
At the end of the day Mr Cameron & Mr Osborne along with IDS,keep spouting the same party line, they are making it better to work than be on benefits! Well that’s great for those who can work but what about those of us who cannot work through disability or long term illness? I personally wish I could go out to work but me illness make this impossible. Anyway back to these changes, I do agree that some things needed to change but bringing in all these changes now whilst the country is in turmoil is madness beyond comprehension , it would’ve been better to focus on recovery first, create jobs that people can go to but no they have spent more money on these changes to the benefit system at a time when the country can least afford it. There is such a divide over this bedroom tax that it is taking the focus away the the real issues in this country and this is why they have brought in this tax/reduction whatever you wish to call it, and that is their policies have failed to get the country back on it’s feet. Instead they have blamed those on benefits and the last government and people have fallen for it. This crisis started in the USA with the collapse of the mortgage giants which inturn spread like wild fire to the banks. But back to my point, These changes to the benefit system were not thought out at all, everyone on benefits have individual needs which is why we have so many different benefits and to replace it with one is fraught with danger, you cannot just simply say we are changing the system to make it fairer and better for people to be in work in the space of a year and not expect difficulties. But as I said earlier this bedroom tax was not meant to ease overcrowding or help cut the deficit, it is simply a stunt on behalf of this government to keep your focus elsewhere. There are millions of homes across the country going empty that are boarded up, My local council have demolished loads of homes and the money that is set aside for discretionary payments is a drop in the ocean and the form you have to fill in to claim it makes the ATOS assessment look easy, this money would of been better spent on making these homes liveable again.
I can only hope that those who are for this tax wake up and realize that it will not do anything but create hunger and deaths. There will be those out there that say I do not know what I’m talking about and that I am simply just misinformed, well all I can say to that is history repeats itself. Do you remember when Mrs Thatcher was in power and was fast becoming the most hated woman in political history? Then we had the Falklands war and all of a sudden she won another term, Just look at what is happening with Iran and North Korea, does anyone else see the comparisons? Well here is another piece of history that repeats itself.
Remember this “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately… Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”? Speech dismissing the “Rump Parliament” (20 April 1653) and again with Neville Chamberlain. Now it’s 2013 and David Cameron presides and now this quote is ever more applicable.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 13:49:43
I’ve heard “some people” can have there bedroom as a prayer- room so meaning they don’t have 2 pay …. Has anyone else out there heard this ….. I don’t think anyone would be very happy if this is true ?
Apr 08, 2013 @ 15:45:28
This is complete and utter rubbish circulated by people who want to set tenanst at each other’s throats (I’m not suggesting you Cath). We need to direct our fire at the government and campaign for the repeal of the BT.
Apr 09, 2013 @ 06:54:10
This, as martinwicks said, is absolutely and catagorically untrue and is being propogated by right-wing, pseudo racist groups such as UKIP and BNP- while not official, it is their members that are involved in propogating this myth.
In fact, if it was true, you could turn your spare room into a chapel or synagogue etc.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 22:08:33
Maybe people should put furniture into their spare bedrooms and then it wouldn’t be a bedroom. Thinking of putting a dining table in mine right now:-)
Apr 10, 2013 @ 08:00:25
I am registered blind and my wife has emphysema and we have a 11yr old son. We sleep in separate rooms because she needs to use her nebuliser several times through the night and has numerous coughing fits which disturbs my sleep greatly. We now have to pay £10.85 a week bedroom tax because our council does not think our circumstances entitle us to a room each and in my case a good nights sleep. What do you think?
Apr 10, 2013 @ 13:42:27
Put in an appeal Alan. The whole things bloody outrageous. What is your Council?
Apr 10, 2013 @ 16:15:43
Thanks for your reply Martin, Swansea Council, I didn’t know you could appeal, I was told when they came around that because my wife will only use her nebuliser for 1 and a half to 2 hours a night I would not be entitled to a room of my own
Apr 12, 2013 @ 11:04:05
Alan it is shameful the way we are being treated.
Apr 12, 2013 @ 08:02:34
I read that the DWP issued urgent new guidance to local authorities, which means that families will no longer face a reduction in housing benefit if their child is unable to share a bedroom because of their disability. What about adults who are unable to share a bedroom because of their disability?
Apr 15, 2013 @ 11:54:43
I have been awarded the dhp as of this week, but on the letter it says i will only receive payment up until july, after that is says i have to apply again and be able to demonstrate that i have contacted the housing department regarding transferring to a more suitably sized property…
Apr 15, 2013 @ 17:49:44
At least it will gie you a breathing space Henry. How many ‘suitably sized’ properties are there in your area? What’s your Council again?
Apr 15, 2013 @ 23:39:09
I have no idea how many there is, i’m in the london borough of waltham forest so can’t imagine there are very many, i have no intention of moving either, i had no idea when i applied that i would have to agree with those terms, i’ve heard people are winning appeals against this tax on the grounds of health issues, if your sleep is affected for over three hours a night you are entitled to a spare room, there seems to be lots of legal challenges going on and hopefully a solution will follow for those who are desperate
Apr 21, 2013 @ 17:29:16
on a lighter note
you will all love this, the tears were rolling down my face with laughter, reading this article. “enjoy”
Bedroom tax protestors hit councillors with ‘eviction notices’
http://www.24dash.com/news/local_government/2013-04-19-Bedroom-tax-protestors-hit-councillors-with-eviction-notices
Apr 22, 2013 @ 01:43:40
Somethings not rite ! The coucials av always sed when kids boys n girls when get a certian age its not rite they share 1 bedroom they use to move familys in to bigger houses for that reason ! It shudt change now thats no guna b good for vunable kids woteva age they are , julie if i cud b downsized id gladly take it or gladly do a swap BUT if somebody is in any arrears (duno if all coucials are same tho) NOT A CHANCE of doing any kind of swap or move till the arrears is paid ,were i live iv bin checking FEW VERY FEW 1bed flats n same wiv bedsits lol im thinking of writing to the obbsman as i dont think i owe any arrears YET wen i ask them why n wen im ment owe ova £600 its bin that amount ova 4yrs .They av a great way of making it hard for me to undastand ,but agen wud that b worth doing ?
Apr 22, 2013 @ 08:46:51
i think its jean im not expecting the tax-payer pay so i can av exta bedrooms iv bin in my home over 18yrs im in a 2 bedroom my son no longer lives with me I JUST WUD LIKE TO SAY id gladly downsize JUST A SMALL PROBLAM in oldham 1 bedflats n bedsits are few n hard to find as a few yrs ago all 1bedfats n bedsits were made in to very nice 3 & 4 & 5 bed massnets for large familys ! its a no win situation. not to mention iv spent n put alot in my house after aving 3leaks n a bad flood thank Q great picking cowboy subbys ,so for some its not that simple 2 downsize .its always people on benefits that nasty comments by evrybody wen most genuine claimers wud swap in a flash , n im disabled n i CAN SAY ID RATHER I WOZNT n work ,most normal people wud rather not claim.
May 04, 2013 @ 08:24:03
Since 1996 I have lived in this 3 bed house. When I moved in it was owned by the council , who a year later approx 1997/8 sold it to London & Quadrant Housing association for £9000, yes nine thousand pounds.
In January 2005 I was fiven full permission in writing to take down the adjoining between the two small bedrooms. ( Both bedrooms were very very tiny). Therefore this house has been a 2 bedroomed house since 2005.
Due to the change in benefits I have asked if I have to pay the 25% or 14% as it is now a 2 bedroomed house since 2005.
Their answer is that I signed the tenancy agreement signed in 1996 for a 3 bedroomed house and that their ‘mortgage’ says it’s a 3 bedroomed house, so therefore I have to pay the 25%.
I have no choice but to pay it ( approx £200 a month). I shall just have to go hungry and live in poverty. But I rather that than live in a flat in a high rise block of flats and be in fear of others. It would be easier to pop my clogs as the saying goes, rather than living an emotional hell.
I would give up my house today, if I were offered a one bed place with a garden where I could live the end of my days in peace an quiet.
I have been sectioned 4 times dues to chronic emotional pressures and I am scared of ever showing my emotions again. I would be better off in the next world rather than the sadistic physical and emotional cruelty of what goes in in psychiatric hospitals.
The bedroom tax will cripple many people lives especially the physically disabled and the emotionally vulnerable people.
May 06, 2013 @ 08:26:29
Rita, that is a terrible story, it needs to be picked up by a national newspaper to highlight the sheer lunacy of all this. It was clear from the very outset this bedroom tax would do nothing to solve the housing shortage, and it would only end up hitting the poorest and most vunerable in society.
May 07, 2013 @ 07:46:54
Thanks Tommy, but in truth no one cares , and as for news papers I can assure you they they don’t care either. It seems people like me are not worth bothering about, and like I said it is better to hide ones own emotions alone in the dark of the night rather than show despair.
But just think…. I am lucky to have a roof over my head, even though my finances cripple me. However showing upset is not what the mentally vulneranable want to do, as psychiatric hospital doctors/staff simply think resolving a crisis is by pumping a person up with drugs. Their motto is ‘Lock Them Up, Drug Them Up, Label Them Up and Shut Them Up.’
Paying £200 towards my rent a month and going without food is easier than being drugged up to the hilt and living in a flat of despair just to please government.
Its a case of pay up Rita or shut up. But thanks again Tommy for your kind words. In truth it is the physically disabled who are the true ones to suffer from this bedroom tax. God help them as no one else will.
May 07, 2013 @ 10:48:31
It’s all a bloody disgrace ….
May 14, 2013 @ 06:41:26
Rita, I’d appeal this decision if you feel up to it. I would understand why you might not want to, but seek emotional support amongst friends and/or family.
The reason they want to designate it a 3 bed property is simply for money. They can charge a higher rent. I would point out to them they obtained the property at knock-down prices, that you have paid more than the original sum they paid (if this is the case) and that councils will accept the description given by the landlord, so if the re- assign it as 2 bed, then fro BT that is what it is.
It would probably help your case if you have any paperwork showing they gave permission to remove the wall.
You could also ask your local or county councillor for help and advice and perhaps ask the council to inspect the property and make a decision via that route.
At the end of the day, you need someone to help you with your case; the fact is it is physically a 2 bedroomed property, converted with the landlord’s permission.
May 14, 2013 @ 18:45:38
Thanks Smiling Carcass, but in truth I simply cannot cope with any of it. I have other issues in my life are very emotionally difficult. I am not emotionally strong enough to stick up for myself or talk about the 25% anymore. I cannot fight over rent is just too much for me to cope with. I have already set up the direct debit for London & Quadrant for my rent. I live on my own and to be honest I just cannot cope with any more problems. I accept the fact I am better off than many as I have the joy of my grandchildren. So long as they are happy then that is all that matters.
I am tired and just cannot cope with stress anymore. I just do what I am told.
I won’t be commenting on this site any more but wish you all well and God bless. xx
May 16, 2013 @ 03:21:47
So sorry to hear your circumstances and fully understand your inability to fight this injustice. I wish you were a friend or neighbour of mine, so I could offer some support and assistance. As it is, I wish you well; there are lots of us out here trying to fight this obscene demonization of those less fortunate and with luck, we’ll win for ourselves, our children and for you. xxx
May 11, 2013 @ 21:29:15
http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/this-is-what-austerity-looks-like-first-suicide-due-to-bedroom-tax-reported/#comment-49839
First suicide due to bedroom tax